Is Astrology a science?

[Aaron112]

What evidence?

Total tangent, sort of >> what if the neo-nazis are the ones gathering evidence. Can any such evidence or their ideas or their conclusions be believed at all ?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, what if the ones gathering evidence are known to be trustworthy and truthful. How does that affect what happens with or to the evidence, if it is used at all, or buried, and so on, by the governments or others in charge ?

 

[Astrid]

It happened. Let me see a map of the fall line...okay, I think they're close to the fall line, but to the north of it. As a rule of thumb, you have sedimentary rocks on the surface south of the fall line in the US due to, well, it being filled up with sediments. North of the fall line you have non-sedimentary rocks close to the surface. So these boulders were where you'd expect to find non-sedimentary rocks, but they were isolated in one area. Plus, they had markings on them that were interpreted to be abrasions from being pushed along by a glacier. So the idea was that the boulders were carried there by a glacier, and when the glacier melted, there the boulders dropped.

At what point geologists determined the marks were caused by logging chains I can't say, but I think it was in the 1970s. It would be interesting to know how they made that determination. Anyway, when geologists determined the marks were manmade, that ended the glacier theory.

I remember the discussion, at least where it attracted the attention of the media. The question was, of course, was there a glacier in Georgia, and likely at what time? So when geologists determined the marks were caused by logging chains, there was amusement in the media.

Now, speaking as someone who studied geology, you say that would be really stupid and sloppy. Perhaps. I'm no geologist. Yet I do know hindsight always has perfect vision. What seems obvious now isn't always obvious then.

Since the point of firthest advanve of
continental glaciers has long been known
to be hundreds of miles north of Georgia,
yes, it would be so stupid to think you had
glacial erratics in Georgia that I doubt the
story is accurate.
Fifty years ago there was something g in a nrpewspaper?
Whatever the real story, either it's scrambled
or the "geologists" were as brainy as someone
reporting palm trees and gators in Maine.

Sorry but this example of " uncertainty" wont
fly..

 

[Astrid]

Kurt Patrick Wise has a degree from Harvard University in Evolution, yet he is still a YEC creationist.

"....even if all the evidence in the universe turns against yec,
I will still be yec as that is what the Bible seems to indicate"- Dr. K Wise.

You sure you want to trot out the poster boy, the
example to illustrate the very definition of intellectual
dishonesty?

 

[AV1611VET]

Total tangent, sort of >> what if the neo-nazis are the ones gathering evidence. Can any such evidence or their ideas or their conclusions be believed at all ?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, what if the ones gathering evidence are known to be trustworthy and truthful. How does that affect what happens with or to the evidence, if it is used at all, or buried, and so on, by the governments or others in charge ?

There is NO EVIDENCE of the Creation Week.

None.

The Creation Week was a series of miracles that didn't generate any evidence.

What I consider my magnum opus here on this website is what I call MY APPLE CHALLENGE.

It goes like this:

God creates an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to show someone He did this?

The answer, of course, is that you can't.

And the reason you can't is because you don't have any evidence.

And the reason you don't have any evidence is because no evidence was generated at the level of our understanding.

 

[Aaron112]

I've never seen a report of a miracle that was examined in a rigorous scientific manner and the conclusion from the scientists was, "Well, this is impossible, it can't be happening."

Defender of illogic, right ? Good. Maybe, for this anyway.
I've seen many times that 'doctors' /maybe scientists also/
would only say : "Well, that's impossible - so it wasn't true in the past" that /someone/ had cancer or other terminal illness... when confronted with someone who months or years ago had inoperable, terminal according to doctors , disease; yet now they see the same person, properly tested , completely healthy , instead of deceased.

They might never admit that people get healed, and instead maintain the politically/medically chosen line = they never had the disease they were diagnosed with. It must have been faulty testing.

 

[Aaron112]

There is NO EVIDENCE of the Creation Week.

None.

The Creation Week was a series of miracles that didn't generate any evidence.

What I consider my magnum opus here on this website is what I call MY APPLE CHALLENGE.

It goes like this:

God creates an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand.

What evidence would you use to show someone He did this?

The answer, of course, is that you can't.

And the reason you can't is because you don't have any evidence.

And the reason you don't have any evidence is because no evidence was generated at the level of our understanding.

That logical train of thought might be fine, but whether it is or not, the evidence I have and live by is faith.
Also,
The Creator says that no one has any excuse not to believe He Is, because all of His Creation everywhere is the evidence that He Is.

 

[Astrid]

Think what you wish. My only interest is previous observation that water can be on top of ice without ice floating to the top. If that doesn't agree with some notion...shrug.

In any event, I've taken a small disposable 3 ounce (88.7 ml) plastic cup, of the type common in the US, tore of the corner of 60 grit sandpaper, roughed the bottom and not the sides, and have filled it about 1/8th of the height with water. It now resides in the freezer. I've also taken another disposable 3 ounce plastic cup, filled it to about 1/8th of the way to the top with water, and have it chilling in the refrigerator. And we shall see what we shall see.

The great thing about experiments, especially simple ones like this, is that anyone can try it for themselves.

Good grief.

You really think a test on three onces of water
can be scaled up to show how billions of tons
of ice five miles thick will behave?
Why don't you make a little glacier in your freezer
and watch it carve out a valley through a block
of granite.

.

 

[Aaron112]

And the reason you don't have any evidence is because no evidence was generated at the level of our understanding.

Almost forgot - "lean not on man's understanding" / "level of our understanding"
but on Him and His Life, His Wisdom, His Knowledge, His Revelation, completely , in line with His Word and Plan of Salvation when or if and as He Reveals it. Jesus is our understanding, et al, all things in Him.

 

[Aaron112]

You really think a test on three onces of water
can be scaled up to show how billions of tons
of ice five miles thick will behave?

I think it is just as wild to think that a tiny tiny tiny amount of toxin , inserted into a person's body, can eliminate billions of other toxins, or germs or viruses, based on the word of those selling it. Like asking the fox if the chickens are snug and comfortable and safe tonight , if the fox is hired to guard them.

 

[Astrid]

No, she was saying that YECers generally have a poor understanding of science, and that science is irrelevant to their position, because they don't use a tool that have a poor understanding of.

I see someone was dishonestly misrepresenting
what I said.

Almost forgot - "lean not on man's understanding" / "level of our understanding"
but on Him and His Life, His Wisdom, His Knowledge, His Revelation, completely , in line with His Word and Plan of Salvation when or if and as He Reveals it. Jesus is our understanding, et al, all things in Him.

So why do you lean so heavily on your own
chosen understanding and so mightily resist
accepting that your understanding just might
be flawed? Surely you don't think you are infallible.

 

[Bradskii]

I think it is just as wild to think that a tiny tiny tiny amount of toxin , inserted into a person's body, can eliminate billions of other toxins, or germs or viruses, based on the word of those selling it. Like asking the fox if the chickens are snug and comfortable and safe tonight , if the fox is hired to guard them.

Just...what?

 

[Astrid]

I think it is just as wild to think that a tiny tiny tiny amount of toxin , inserted into a person's body, can eliminate billions of other toxins, or germs or viruses, based on the word of those selling it. Like asking the fox if the chickens are snug and comfortable and safe tonight , if the fox is hired to guard them.

I guess we are done now.

 

[Diamond72]

What evidence?

The fossil evidence.

 

[Diamond72]

So is the utter common sense
that ice floats.

Good it floats. The fish in our pond continue to get through the winter.

 

[Astrid]

Just...what?

I think it's something about either promoting or
denouncing homeopathy

 

[Diamond72]

You sure you want to trot out the poster boy,

He meets the criteria. He even studied under Stephen Jay Gould.

 

[Astrid]

Good it floats. The fish in our pond continue to get through the winter.

Bad it floats. Poor Titanic!

 

[Bradskii]

I think it's something about either promoting or
denouncing homeopathy

Quite a non sequitor. I'm lost as to the relevance. But equally dismissive of homeopathy.

 

[Astrid]

He meets the criteria. He even studied under Stephen Jay Gould.

He meets the criteria for an intellectually
dishonest man.

 

[Astrid]

Quite a non sequitor. I'm lost as to the relevance. But equally dismissive of homeopathy.

Well, the author is dismissed too.