Is an angel a spirit?

[dreadnought]

All judgements... that occur after the end of this earth... will be "pertaining to this life". However, they will be discussed and judged after the fact.

It doesn't say they occur after the end of this earth.

 

[visionary]

It doesn't say they occur after the end of this earth.

Maybe it should be clarified.. "end of earth" should have "as we know it"
Revelation 20
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[JacksBratt]

It doesn't say they occur after the end of this earth.

So, what judgments are going on right now?
Where does the bible talk about judgement? It says "it is appointed unto man, once to die... then.. judgement"..

Judgement is after death.

The saved, we know are judged before the marriage of Christ and His Bride, the church.
We also know that the "Great White Throne Judgement" Is done at the end of the millennial reign of Christ.. before the old earth and old heaven pass away and the new heaven and the new earth are presented to all those who were saved, from all time.. for heaven to exist on earth and for God to dwell with us forever.

When, then, will angels be judged? Do you judge someone before they are finished their works? No.. the angels have word to do.. from now until the end of time and will be judged at the end before eternity.

The judgement that is spoken of is the judgement of things that happened before.. Not during.

 

[Hoshiyya]

"Spirit" is probably one of the words with the widest possible net of definitions. So yeah, an angel is a spirit. The physical breath is spirit. The wind is spirit. The 1970's had their own "spirit". There is such a thing as esprit de corps, being the spirit of a particular army unit or really any kind of group. A movie can have a spirit, being the mood and "feel" of the movie.

 

[dreadnought]

So, what judgments are going on right now?
Where does the bible talk about judgement? It says "it is appointed unto man, once to die... then.. judgement"..

Judgement is after death.

The saved, we know are judged before the marriage of Christ and His Bride, the church.
We also know that the "Great White Throne Judgement" Is done at the end of the millennial reign of Christ.. before the old earth and old heaven pass away and the new heaven and the new earth are presented to all those who were saved, from all time.. for heaven to exist on earth and for God to dwell with us forever.

When, then, will angels be judged? Do you judge someone before they are finished their works? No.. the angels have word to do.. from now until the end of time and will be judged at the end before eternity.

The judgement that is spoken of is the judgement of things that happened before.. Not during.

We make judgments all the time.

 

[Hoshiyya]

So, what judgments are going on right now?
Where does the bible talk about judgement? It says "it is appointed unto man, once to die... then.. judgement"..

The Bible also mentions Lazarus and several other people both in the Old and New Testaments that lived and died more than once.

 

[JacksBratt]

The Bible also mentions Lazarus and several other people both in the Old and New Testaments that lived and died more than once.

I think that when Jesus said that it is "appointed unto man once to die" meant that we will all die. Now, if some have had NDE (near death experience) or, were raised again from the dead, like Lazarus, does that conflict with the fact that we are "appointed once to die"?

The more important fact is that only two people in all of time have not died.... Enoch and Elijah. This is why many believe that they will be the two witnesses in the time of the end.

 

[JacksBratt]

We make judgments all the time.

OK, now you are just being silly. Of course we make judgements all the time.

Are you saying that this is what the bible meant? Seriously?

I think you know better.

You stated that you cannot prove your point for people becoming angels... I have shown, others have shown, scripture that shows and describes angels as totally different beings that humans. Totally different origin, purpose rank and duties.. Beings that are now above us but will later be servant to us...

If you still want to hold your views... that's your right... But it is not biblical in any way shape or form and according to yourself.. you cannot prove it.

God Bless.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Now, if some have had NDE (near death experience) or, were raised again from the dead, like Lazarus, does that conflict with the fact that we are "appointed once to die"?

No because a near death experience is not death.

People should worry less about NDEs, they are not significant.

The more important fact is that only two people in all of time have not died.... Enoch and Elijah. This is why many believe that they will be the two witnesses in the time of the end.

Well the Bible doesn't really say this. Like with the body of Moses, it is an issue of their bodies being hid, rather, so as to discourage idolatry.

Speaking of resurrection, coming into contact with the bones of Elishah caused other corpses to come alive, (2 Kings 13:21) and presumably the body of Elijah would have at least the same effect, thus justifying why it should be hidden. Otherwise maybe evil men could use this effect to avoid death.

 

[JacksBratt]

No because a near death experience is not death.

People should worry less about NDEs, they are not significant.

Good information.

Well the Bible doesn't really say this. Like with the body of Moses, it is an issue of their bodies being hid, rather, so as to discourage idolatry.

I don't recall Enoch's body being hid... He was taken by God. No body, no earthly death..
Elijah went up in a chariot.... no earthly death.

Moses died and Satan and Michael disputed over his bones. Jude 1:9. So this would indicate an earthly death. The bones of Enoch and Elijah were never buried or found due to the fact that they are the only two who did not die.

Speaking of resurrection, coming into contact with the bones of Elishah caused other corpses to come alive, (2 Kings 13:21) and presumably the body of Elijah would have at least the same effect, thus justifying why it should be hidden. Otherwise maybe evil men could use this effect to avoid death.

We could assume a lot of things. However there is no scripture to back this up. Elijah's bones were always with him.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Good information.






I don't recall Enoch's body being hid... He was taken by God. No body, no earthly death..
Elijah went up in a chariot.... no earthly death.

Moses died and Satan and Michael disputed over his bones. Jude 1:9. So this would indicate an earthly death. The bones of Enoch and Elijah were never buried or found due to the fact that they are the only two who did not die.



We could assume a lot of things. However there is no scripture to back this up. Elijah's bones were always with him.

The bones of Moses were not found either, because they were hid. We are told the specific reason they are hid. What happened with Elijah's successor Elishah shows another good reason why the bones of big saints should be hid.

Incidentally, most of the bodies of the prophets are currently interred in what are Muslim lands. Now imagine if f.ex terrorists were able to commit suicide attacks and then be resurrected by using the bones of the big saints. That is itself a good reason they are hidden.

As for NDEs, they are entirely culturally dependent. Catholics have Catholic NDEs, Protestants have Protestant NDEs, Mormons have Mormon NDEs. What you believe is what you see.

 

[dreadnought]

OK, now you are just being silly. Of course we make judgements all the time.

Are you saying that this is what the bible meant? Seriously?

I think you know better.

You stated that you cannot prove your point for people becoming angels... I have shown, others have shown, scripture that shows and describes angels as totally different beings that humans. Totally different origin, purpose rank and duties.. Beings that are now above us but will later be servant to us...

If you still want to hold your views... that's your right... But it is not biblical in any way shape or form and according to yourself.. you cannot prove it.

God Bless.

Yes, that what I am saying.