Is Allah = Yahweh ?

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

"Allah" indicates a supreme deity, and thus is a linguistic distinction from "ilah" which could indicate any god. This is the distinction in Arabic; this is why both are used in Arabic translations of the Bible. One is a proper noun like capitalized "God" is in English. One is a noun like the non-capitalized "god" is in English.

 

[m423156]

"Allah" indicates a supreme deity, and thus is a linguistic distinction from "ilah" which could indicate any god. This is the distinction in Arabic; this is why both are used in Arabic translations of the Bible. One is a proper noun like capitalized "God" is in English. One is a noun like the non-capitalized "god" is in English.

Thank you for proving my point. The prosecution rests.

That will be all.

In case you're confused, you just defeated your own argument.

Bye.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Thank you for proving my point. The prosecution rests.

That will be all.

In case you're confused, you just defeated your own argument.

Bye.

Actually, I didn't defeat it at all. Stop being disingenuous. "Allah" and "ilah" are linguistic distinctions, one for a supreme deity (not just for the supreme deity of Islam), and one for deities in general. There is a good reason -- linguistically and not politically -- why "Allah" is used when referring to the proper noun God in the Bible and not "ilah" which is used for regular nouns, or deities in general. These two words come from the exact same root, and they're also from the exact same root as Elohim when we trace the words farther back into proto-Semitic roots. You're doing a disservice to Arabic-speaking Christians around the world. Shame on you!

It frankly doesn't matter if the term "Allah" was borrowed from the pre-Christian, pagan Arabs, just as it doesn't matter that "YHWH" was borrowed from the pre-Jewish, pagan Canaanites. The current context is what matters, and you hurt Arab Christians by insisting that there is some important distinction in the terms that NO LONGER EXISTS. Stop being obtuse.

 

[m423156]

OK. Well, let's have it your way and start translating the Bible like this. BAAL is just a generic word for Lord and Allah is just a generic word for deity. Let's see how that works in practice. Let's put it to the test.

I am Alpha and Omega, says BAAL Allah, ""He who is and He who was and He who is to come, The Almighty. - Rev. 1:7

Now what do you suppose is wrong with this picture? And if nothing is wrong with it, then aren't Islam, Christianity, and Baalist Druidism really all talking about the same Lord?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Shouldn't we join with our Islamic and Druidistic brothers in fellowship?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Aren't we all really part of the same universalist catholic meta-religion? Aren't all religions really just one?


Hmmmmmmmmmm?

It wouldn't matter if you had 1000 semesters of Arabic. Without the reasoning capacity of proper discernment, it wouldn't help you one wit.

 

[Steeno7]

OK. Well, let's have it your way and start translating the Bible like this. BAAL is just a generic word for Lord and Allah is just a generic word for deity. Let's see how that works in practice. Let's put it to the test.

I am Alpha and Omega, says BAAL Allah, ""He who is and He who was and He who is to come, The Almighty. - Rev. 1:7

Now what do you suppose is wrong with this picture? And if nothing is wrong with it, then aren't Islam, Christianity, and Baalist Druidism really all talking about the same Lord?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Shouldn't we join with our Islamic and Druidistic brothers in fellowship?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Aren't we all really part of the same universalist catholic meta-religion? Aren't all religions really just one?


Hmmmmmmmmmm?

This thread is not about Islam. Why can't you get that?

 

[m423156]

This thread is not about Islam. Why can't you get that?

I never said it was. The original OP was whether Allah and IHVH were the same God. And the answer is no, as much no as that BAAL and ADONAI are not the same Lord.

Why can't you get that?

 

[misselly]

Jesus said I am the way, the truth and life. No man cometh to the father but by me. What's so hard to understand about that? We must pray in Jesus name because he saved us by his blood if we ask Him to. It does not matter about the fuss about using Allah or God because to get to God, one must go through Jesus Christ.

 

[m423156]

Jesus said I am the way, the truth and life. No man cometh to the father but by me. What's so hard to understand about that? We must pray in Jesus name because he saved us by his blood if we ask Him to. It does not matter about the fuss about using Allah or God because to get to God, one must go through Jesus Christ.

I think you meant to write that to get to Allah, one must go through BAAL Jesus Buddha.

 

[Steeno7]

I never said it was. The original OP was whether Allah and IHVH were the same God. And the answer is no, as much no as that BAAL and ADONAI are not the same Lord.

Why can't you get that?

No, that has never been the question. The question was and is, is Allah = God. It is not asking if the Allah of Islam is the same Allah of Christianity.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

I never said it was. The original OP was whether Allah and IHVH were the same God. And the answer is no, as much no as that BAAL and ADONAI are not the same Lord.

Why can't you get that?

And the Allah of Christian Arabs is not the same as the Allah of Muslims, even if they share the same root. What's so difficult to understand about that? The distinction for a Christian between Allah and ilah is the same as God and god...

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

OK. Well, let's have it your way and start translating the Bible like this. BAAL is just a generic word for Lord and Allah is just a generic word for deity. Let's see how that works in practice. Let's put it to the test.

I am Alpha and Omega, says BAAL Allah, ""He who is and He who was and He who is to come, The Almighty. - Rev. 1:7

Now what do you suppose is wrong with this picture? And if nothing is wrong with it, then aren't Islam, Christianity, and Baalist Druidism really all talking about the same Lord?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Shouldn't we join with our Islamic and Druidistic brothers in fellowship?


Hmmmmmmmm?

Aren't we all really part of the same universalist catholic meta-religion? Aren't all religions really just one?


Hmmmmmmmmmm?

It wouldn't matter if you had 1000 semesters of Arabic. Without the reasoning capacity of proper discernment, it wouldn't help you one wit.

Quit with the melodramatics and dishonesty. You're just making yourself look silly since you can't understand the linguistic and cultural distinctions because you're limited by your own understandings which are essential xenophobic biases.

 

[m423156]

No, that has never been the question. The question was and is, is Allah = God. It is not asking if the Allah of Islam is the same Allah of Christianity.

The original op was Is Allah = Yahweh?

The answer is no.

But since you bring it up, Allah isn't even the generic word for deity, it denotes and connotes, just as whats-her-name argued the Supreme God, and happens to be God as a proper name, not as a general designation of deity, or divinity.

The Hebrew word elohim and the Greek word theos are not used this way in scripture. They actually are generic and can always be translated as deity, or divinity. From Genesis to John, there is no supreme idea implicit in elohim or theos. The Supreme idea of God is in His proper name of IHVH. That is not the case with Allah, which is not only implicit of a Supreme God, but also a proper Name- Allah is his NAME. That is a foreign idea to the Bible.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

M423156 - I think you don't get it. Arabic and Greek function very differently. The context in Greek explains when it should be translated as God as opposed to god or gods. This doesn't exist in Arabic, where you need the linguistic rather than contextual distinction between Allah versus ilah.

 

[Steeno7]

The original op was Is Allah = Yahweh?

The answer is no.

But since you bring it up, Allah isn't even the generic word for deity, it denotes and connotes, just as whats-her-name argued the Supreme God, and happens to be God as a proper name, not as a general designation of deity, or divinity.

The Hebrew word elohim and the Greek word theos are not used this way in scripture. They actually are generic and can always be translated as deity, or divinity. From Genesis to John, there is no supreme idea implicit in elohim or theos. That is not the case with Allah, which is not only implicit of a Supreme God, but also a proper Name- Allah is his NAME. That is a foreign idea to the Bible.

Foreign to what Bible? It wouldn't be foreign to an Arabic language Bible.

 

[m423156]

M423156 - I think you don't get it. Arabic and Greek function very differently. The context in Greek explains when it should be translated as God as opposed to god or gods. This doesn't exist in Arabic, where you need the linguistic rather than contextual distinction between Allah versus ilah.

Pseudo-intellectual hogwash and more obfuscation of the issue.

ALLAH is a proper name by the eplicit statements of the Koran itself!

أعوذُ باللهِ منَ الشيطانِ الرجيم
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
I seek refuge with Allah from the stoned Shaitan
In the Name Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
​

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Foreign to what Bible? It wouldn't be foreign to an Arabic language Bible.

He's bent on his xenophobic misunderstandings of the Arabic language.

 

[misselly]

I think you meant to write that to get to Allah, one must go through BAAL Jesus Buddha.

No I did not mean that at all. Apparently you don't know the truth of the bible.

 

[m423156]

He's bent on his xenophobic misunderstandings of the Arabic language.

You're bent on being a xenophobic pseudo-intellectual stuck on her four semesters of Arabic which did nothing to help her higher reasoning capacity.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Pseudo-intellectual hogwash and more obfuscation of the issue.

ALLAH is a proper name by the eplicit statements of the Koran itself!

أعوذُ باللهِ منَ الشيطانِ الرجيم
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
I seek refuge with Allah from the stoned Shaitan
In the Name Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
​

Why are you quoting Arabic when you don't even understand it? It's not even pseudointellectual hogwash. It's the truth. Different languages function very differently. The context in Greek tells you when you should understand it as God or god. The actual words in Arabic tell you the distinction as to whether you should understand it as God or god. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about that.

 

[m423156]

No I did not mean that at all. Apparently you don't know the truth of the bible.

Ok, well Allah is just a generic word for deity. And BAAL is just a generic word for Lord. And Buddha is just a generic word for anointed or enlightened.

So we have to come to Allah through BAAL Jesus Buddha.