Is Allah = Yahweh ?

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

You're bent on being a xenophobic pseudo-intellectual stuck on her four semesters of Arabic which did nothing to help her higher reasoning capacity.

This is incredibly insulting and disingenuous, and says much more about you than it says about me. You obviously don't understand that different languages function very differently.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Ok, well Allah is just a generic word for deity. And BAAL is just a generic word for Lord. And Buddha is just a generic word for anointed or enlightened.

So we have to come to Allah through BAAL Jesus Buddha.

Why do you continue this ignorant line of argument?

 

[m423156]

Why are you quoting Arabic when you don't even understand it? It's not even pseudointellectual hogwash. It's the truth. Different languages function very differently. The context in Greek tells you when you should understand it as God or god. The actual words in Arabic tell you the distinction as to whether you should understand it as God or god. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about that.

I don't suppose it would help if I told you that I had 6 semesters of Biblical Hebrew too.

I don't have to understand Arabic to quote a translation from the Koran by someone who DID!

The argument is sound.

Allah is a Proper NAME in the Koran, not a generic designation of deity, or divinity.

 

[m423156]

This is incredibly insulting and disingenuous, and says much more about you than it says about me. You obviously don't understand that different languages function very differently.

And you aren't insulting in disingenuous? You're the one who decided to start throwing out ad hominem and going all emotional. So, since you've already crossed that threshhold, don't start crying when it gets thrown back in your disingenuous face.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

I don't suppose it would help if I told you that I had 6 semesters of Biblical Hebrew too.

I don't have to understand Arabic to quote a translation from the Koran by someone who DID!

The argument is sound.

Allah is a Proper NAME in the Koran, not a generic designation of deity, or divinity.

And just because that's the understanding of it of Muslims, doesn't mean it's the same understanding of the word for Christian Arabs. If you've taken that many semester of both Hebrew and Greek, then you can appreciate that different languages have different nuances, and care has to be taken because languages do not translate exactly. The grammatical functioning of Arabic is very different than the grammatical functioning of Greek.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

And you aren't insulting in disingenuous? You're the one who decided to start throwing out ad hominem and going all emotional. So, since you've already crossed that threshhold, don't start crying when it gets thrown back in your disingenuous face.

I haven't gone emotional or thrown out ad hominems. I think your arguments are dishonest (Allah is not the same as an Arabic Moon God -- this is well-known in anthropological study to be Evangelical propaganda that alienates both Muslims and Arabic-speaking Christians), and you continue to dishonestly misconstrue my arguments in an attempt to make some superfluous point of your own that's utter nonsense.

 

[m423156]

And just because that's the understanding of it of Muslims, doesn't mean it's the same understanding of the word for Christian Arabs. If you've taken that many semester of both Hebrew and Greek, then you can appreciate that different languages have different nuances, and care has to be taken because languages do not translate exactly. The grammatical functioning of Arabic is very different than the grammatical functioning of Greek.

If I were an Arab Christian, I would choose one of the several generic Arabic words for deity. But one thing I would not do is use Allah.

You see, I don't have much sympathy for any cultural norms, because this isn't about any cultural norm except the Word of God. This isn't even about Arabic, or Hebrew, or Greek. It's about how we use words. And is it a semantic issue? You better believe it is. If it weren't, you could as easilly transliterate Elohim into Arabic characters, and make that God.

There is no reason to use the Islamic proper Name Allah in any Christian community in the world, whether Arabic or non-Arabic.

I'm not going to translate GOD as ALLAH in English. Nor would I translate it as Allah in Arabic when there are several perfectly good Arabic generic words that actually are generic for deity. I would never use Allah in any context for the God of the Bible whether it be in English or Arabic. English or Arabic are irrelevant to the argument. We can translate ALLAH into English as easily as an Arab can write it in Arabic. But that doesn't mean it's going in my Bible.

Understand?

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

No, I don't understand, m423156, because it's a nonsensical understanding of linguistics, translation and the Arabic language. Greek uses context to show the difference between God and god. Arabic uses vocabulary to show the difference between the proper noun God (Allah) and the regular noun god (ilah). Early Christian hymns in Arabic used the term Allah before Islam took root.

Tell me, do you stop using the term God just because Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons use it? No, you don't, do you? So why should Arabic-speaking Christians stop referring to God as Allah when speaking Arabic just because Muhammad used the same term? I mean, Joseph Smith invoked God and Jesus Christ, so shouldn't you stop using the English term God and come up with something else? No, you don't. That's utterly nonsensical.

 

[m423156]

No, I don't understand, m423156, because it's a nonsensical understanding of linguistics, translation and the Arabic language. Greek uses context to show the difference between God and god. Arabic uses vocabulary to show the difference between the proper noun God (Allah) and the regular noun god (ilah). Early Christian hymns in Arabic used the term Allah before Islam took root.

Tell me, do you stop using the term God just because Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons use it? No, you don't, do you? So why should Arabic-speaking Christians stop referring to God as Allah when speaking Arabic just because Muhammad used the same term? I mean, Joseph Smith invoked God and Jesus Christ, so shouldn't you stop using the English term God and come up with something else? No, you don't. That's utterly nonsensical.

If I were magically turned into an Arabian this very moment, and mystically transported on a magic carpet to Saudi Arabia, I STILL would not use Allah to mean God.

I would use ألوهية, or لاهوت, or الإله. And there would be absolutely no reason for me to ever use the proper name الله, because I'm not a Muslim, and I don't believe in the God named Alllah, nor do I believe in the Prophet of Allah. What I do believe is that Allah was the ancient Meccan moon god, and that his prophet was jinn demonic sorcerer who was as Antichrist as Antichrist can be and is the enemy of the true ألوهية.

So don't play cultural-linguistic games with me. This is all about proper names and proper and improper designations.

 

[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

If I were magically turned into an Arabian this very moment, and mystically transported on a magic carpet to Saudi Arabia, I STILL would not use Allah to mean God.

I would use ألوهية, or لاهوت, or الإله. And there would be absolutely no reason for me to ever use the proper name الله, because I'm not a Muslim, and I don't believe in the God named Alllah, nor do I believe in the Prophet of Allah. What I do believe is that Allah was the ancient Meccan moon god, and that his prophet was jinn demonic sorcerer who was as Antichrist as Antichrist can be and is the enemy of the true ألوهية.

So don't play cultural-linguistic games with me. This is all about proper names and proper and improper designations.

Again you prevaricate with dishonesty about an Arabian moon god which is known to be Evangelical propaganda! It's not a cultural-linguistic game, either. Translation is very nuanced. Again, GREEK uses the context to tell us if theos should be understood as the God almighty or understood as god or gods. However, in translating in Arabic, we use Allah versus ilah to make the distinction between God almighty and god or gods. It's how Arabic functions. And, if you magically became an Arabic-speaking Christian in the Middle East, you actually would be using the term "Allah" to describe God. That's how culture functions. Had you been born and raised in an Arabic speaking culture, you would not have the xenophobic aversion to the word "Allah" that you do.

 

[kellhus]

Allah is an Arabic word that means "God". Christians have used it for centuries.

 

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[Shieldmaiden4Christ]

Allah is an Arabic word that means "God". Christians have used it for centuries.

Yep, they have! It's even on tombs and churches.

 

[Simonline]

Mohammad (and the Muslims) claim that Allah is YHWH the God of Israel in his effort to portray Islam as the continuity of Judaism and Christianity.

Some Christians , in this age of inclusiveness, agree that Muslims and Christians are worshiping the SAME God.

And Arab Christians call God by the name of Allah.

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God"

Some claim that Allah is a general noun for God in Arabic while others insist that Allah is the proper noun ( proper name ) for the Muslim God. The Aramiac ( the language spoken by Jesus) word for God is Alaha or Elaha which is similar sounding.

Records shown that Allah existed way before Mohammad's Islam, in Babylon and Mecca.

The Meccans were worshiping 360 idols placed inside the Blackstone of Kaaba and one of the idol is the moongod Allah. He was said to have three daughters ( goddess). Archaeologically, Allah stone idols have been found in many places in the Middle East.

So is Allah = YHWH ?

No. YHWH and Allah are not the same God.

See Which God? Jesus, Holy Spirit, God in Christianity And Islam by Mark Durie http://www.amazon.com/Which-God-Jesus-Spirit-Christianity/dp/0987469142. This book is a excellent introduction to the differences between Judeo-Christianity and Islam.

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