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And you who add words to the Scriptures are wrong again!
My friend: The text does not support your addition of "repents"!
https://www.biblestudytools.com/mark/9-49-compare.html
We await your chosen Translation, and wait and wait!
"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists and in Him the all ends..."
Matthew 5:13 it is thenceforth good for nothingAnd you who add words to the Scriptures are wrong again!
My friend: The text does not support your addition of "repents"!
https://www.biblestudytools.com/mark/9-49-compare.html
We await your chosen Translation, and wait and wait!
"From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists and in Him the all ends..."
Sorry dude, wrong again:
Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Luke 11:7 And he from within shall answer and say, Trouble me not: the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give thee.
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and should lock the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
So there is a proper time to seek an entrance into heaven; but there will be a time when it will be too late. At death the time will have passed by, and God will be no longer gracious to the sinner’s soul. [BARNES] and hath shut to the door; the door of mercy and of hope; the door of faith; the preaching of the word, and the administration of ordinances, when these shall be no more: [GILL]
Now His last effort in grace was accomplished, and their house left desolate, until they should repent, and, returning to the Lord, say according to Psalm 111, "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Then He would appear, and they should see Him. [DARBY]
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Matthew 5:13 it is thenceforth good for nothing
Luke 14:34.; James 3:12; Hebrews 12:17
After you have addressed your addition of words to the text you can answer the following question>>>>>>>
Question
What are the defining statements of the Master for "everlasting punishment" according to the context of St. Matt. 25? They would be>>>>>>
You can jump around he-man but you cannot hide! You have added words to the text which is a no-no! Every one is salted with fire! You, like most of those who desire to punish endlessly with no objective in view, only endless punishment is your viewpoint. Again.....
2Th 1:9 who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, [DARBY]You can jump around he-man but you cannot hide! You have added words to the text which is a no-no! Every one is salted with fire! You, like most of those who desire to punish endlessly with no objective in view, only endless punishment is your viewpoint. Again.....
Heb_12:16 lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one meal sold his birthright;None of those verses say anyone will "never" be saved.
Hello Mr. add words to the text of Canon.2Th 1:9 who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, [DARBY]
You forgot Mr. add words to the sacred Canon "he-man", what are the reasons for "everlasting punishment" according to the Master in Matt. 25. They would be?>>>>>>2Th 1:9 who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, [DARBY]
2Th 1:9 who shall pay the penalty of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his might, [DARBY]
he-man are you aware that you are laughing and mocking God and teaching others to laugh and mock God? For you are saying God started something and He is unable to finish what He started.
For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?
After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?
According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.
Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
Psalms_2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.he-man are you aware that you are laughing and mocking God and teaching others to laugh and mock God? For you are saying God started something and He is unable to finish what He started.
Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
Psalms 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.Our God is a consuming Fire-
As for Matthew 25:46, allegedly universalism can be harmonized, as per the remarks below, with any of at least three different views re the "life" & "punishment" of that verse: (1) both life and punishment are eternal or everlasting, (2) both are finite, (3) life is eternal, punishment is finite.
Maybe. Maybe not. Either way universalism is Bible truth & "eternal" is a deceptive translation.
Is aionios used "differently" in each of its two occurrences in Rom.16:25-26? Is the aionios God (Rom.16:26) of the same duration as "long ages" (Rom.16:25, NIV, NASB, ESV, NET, WEY, YLT, etc) during which a revelation was kept secret (v.25) but is "now revealed" (v.26a)? Why, then, is it assumed aionios life must be of the same duration as aionios punishment (Mt.25:46)?
Is a tall building the same height as a tall blade of grass? No. Why, then, is it assumed aionios life must be of the same duration as aionios punishment (Mt.25:46)? In the sentence "The blessed stay in a tall high rise, but the wicked in a tall dungeon", is the high rise equally as tall as the dungeon?
Just as the adjective tall varies with what it refers to, so also the adjective aionion (eonian) varies with what it refers to. A tall man is not the same size as a tall tree or highrise or mountain. Likewise:
"So of aiónion; applied to Jonah's residence in the fish, it means seventy hours; to the priesthood of Aaron, it signifies several centuries; to the mountains, thousands of years; to the punishments of a merciful God, as long as is necessary to vindicate his law and reform his children; to God himself, eternity." AIN -- AINIOS
Similarly, a long life need not be of the same duration as a long punishment. A perpetual life is not necessarily of the same duration as a perpetual punishment.
Is the aion of an ant of the same duration as the aion of a tree?
"There are as many eons as entities, the respective durations of which are fixed by the normal conditions of the several entities. There is one eon of a human life, another of the life of a nation, another of a crow’s life, another of an oak’s life. The length of the eon depends on the subject to which it is attached." (WORD STUDIES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT by MARVIN R. VINCENT, D.D." https://www.hopefaithprayer.com/books/Word-Studies-in-the-New-Testament-Vol-3&4-Marvin-R-Vincent.pdf
Is the church age eon of the same duration as the internet age eon? Is the eon of a geological age of the same duration as the millennial eon? If not, then why should eonian in Mt.25:46 have to be of the same duration in reference to punishment & life?
If believers go into the life aionios (i.e. pertaining to the age to come) & unbelievers go into the punishment aionios (i.e. pertaining to the age to come), does that prove that the punishment must absolutely be co-extensive with the life? No. Does it prove that the age to come is not finite? No.
Could both occurrences of aionios in Mt.25:46 refer to a finite age (or ages) to come? Yes.
If aionios is of equal duration in both occurrences of Mt.25:46, shouldn't "all mankind" (Rom.5:18), "the many" (Rom.5:19) and "all" (1 Cor.15:22, 28) be co-extensive in number in these passages:
Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."
1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die - so also - in Christ shall ALL be made alive.
1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in ALL.
"Augustine raised the argument that since aionios in Mt. 25:46 referred to both life and punishment, it had to carry the same duration in both cases. However, he failed to consider that the duration of aionios is determined by the subject to which it refers. For example, when aionios referred to the duration of Jonah’s entrapment in the fish, it was limited to three days. To a slave, aionios referred to his life span. To the Aaronic priesthood, it referred to the generation preceding the Melchizedek priesthood. To Solomon’s temple, it referred to 400 years. To God it encompasses and transcends time altogether."
"Thus, the word cannot have a set value. It is a relative term and its duration depends upon that with which it is associated. It is similar to what “tall” is to height. The size of a tall building can be 300 feet, a tall man six feet, and a tall dog three feet...An adjective relates to the noun it modifies."
Eternity in the Bible by Gerry Beauchemin – Hope Beyond Hell
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
"...It is simply contrary to historical fact to suggest that the essence of these time expressions is that of endless duration. As Thomas De Quincey, the nineteenth century essayist and literary critic states: “All this speculation, first and last, is pure nonsense. Aiõnios does not mean ‘eternal,’ neither does it mean of limited duration . . . . What is an aiõn? The duration or cycle of existence which belongs to any object, not individually of itself, but universally, in right of its genius [i.e., inherent nature] . . . . The exact amount of the duration expressed by an aiõn depends altogether upon the particular subject which yields the aiõn.” " Eon As Indefinte Duration, Part Three
Philosophy professor Tom Talbott, author of "The Inescapable Love of God", remarked:
"Whatever its correct translation, “aionios” is clearly an adjective and must therefore function like an adjective, and it is the very nature of an adjective for its meaning to vary, sometimes greatly, depending upon which noun it qualifies. For more often than not, the noun helps to determine the precise force of the adjective. As an illustration, set aside the Greek word “aionios” for a moment and consider the English word “everlasting.” I think it safe to say that the basic meaning of this English word is indeed everlasting. So now consider how the precise force of “everlasting” varies depending upon which noun it qualifies. An everlasting struggle would no doubt be a struggle without end, an unending temporal process that never comes to a point of resolution and never gets completed. But an everlasting change, or an everlasting correction, or an everlasting transformation would hardly be an unending temporal process that never gets completed; instead, it would be a temporal process of limited duration, or perhaps simply an instantaneous event, that terminates in an irreversible state. So however popular it might be, the argument that “aionios” must have exactly the same force regardless of which noun it qualifies in Matthew 25:46 is clearly fallacious."
"Accordingly, even if we should translate “aionios” with the English word “everlasting,” a lot would still depend upon how we understand the relevant nouns in our text: the nouns “life” (zoe) and “punishment” (kolasis). Now the kind of life in question, being rightly related to God, is clearly an end in itself, even as the kind of punishment in question seems just as clearly to be a means to an end. For as one New Testament scholar, William Barclay, has pointed out, “kolasis” “was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better.” Barclay also claimed that “in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment”–which is probably a bit of a stretch, since the language of correction and the language of retribution often get mixed together in ordinary language. But in any event, if “kolasis” does signify punishment of a remedial or a corrective kind, as I think it does in Matthew 25:46, then we can reasonably think of such punishment as everlasting in the sense that its corrective effects literally endure forever. Or, to put it another way: An everlasting correction, whenever successfully completed, would be a temporal process of limited duration that terminates in the irreversible state of being rightly related to God. Certainly nothing in the context of Matthew 25 excludes such an interpretation."
"This would not be my preferred interpretation, however, because the English word “everlasting” does not accurately capture the special religious meaning that “aionios” typically has in the New Testament."
Talbott on Matthew 25:41, 46?
https://www.amazon.com/Inescapable-...498222412/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pdt_img_top?ie=UTF8
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
Mat 25:46 is an interesting verse because it contrasts both punishment and life using this adjective. So in context if we are to say that the aionios-punishment is only temporal than should not aionios-life also be looked at as temporal?
Absolutely not! The adjective is equal on both sides. Since he-man refuses to answer, why don't you tell us what the qualifications for aionial punishment are in the context of St. Matthew 25. They are?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Aionios life and aionial punishment are strictly related to ages. Now, if you would care to discuss Aidios life you will be in another dimension altogether!
Oba_1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble; and they shall kindle in them and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau: for Jehovah hath spoken it .
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