Is Abortion Murder?

[Rut]

In Christianity today one of the biggest dilemnas seems to be whether abortion is murder?

We have the "pro-life" groups and the "pro-choice" groups. They both seem to make great cases for their side of the argument. But what should the Christian side be?

The question here is whether or not abortion is murder. I think we should answer according to our beliefs then look at the legal point of view and then the religous point of view.

*Note: I believe this is a private answer so that no one will know what you chose. At least that is what I selected.

All human being that have a heart that beat and get kill is murder for me.You can hear the babies heart beat already around the week 5.For me God look at this very serious Exodus 21:22 - 23. Here is talking about accident so how much more serious is it not when you take away this child with your own will

 

[Ave Maria]

Yes, abortion is clearly murder.

 

[Mobiosity]

When I watched my nephew being born, I was convinced that nothing special happens between the uterus and the air. A baby is a human, it doesn't matter the location or the age.

If someone wants a choice, they should choose not to lay down with someone they don't want to have a baby with. Of course the mother's life must be more important than the baby's. In the cases of incest and rape I won't make any judgement or statement. That goes beyond anything I have the wisdom to decide.

 

[HypnoToad]

Of course the mother's life must be more important than the baby's.

Why?

 

[Mobiosity]

Why?

I cannot agree that killing the mother to bring the baby to term is right. A motherless child will never have a mother. The child may have others who care for it, but it also may (who knows, probably) feel guilty for it's entire life for killing it's mother. Killing a fully formed, functioning human being for the chance that a pregnancy might produce another fully formed, functioning, live human seems to be an awful gamble and one I can't agree with. My friend and neighbor bore a perfectly healthy little boy. That child inhaled some meconium from his mother's amniotic fluid, the treatment for it killed him at only a few minutes old. Then you have only a dead baby. If it had been a problem pregnancy and they'd chosen his life over hers there'd have been a dead baby and a dead mother.
This doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interest and way out of God's economy.

 

[jive4005]

Several years ago, I was standing at my window talking to God about abortion. Up to that point, I had pretty much decided I'd let women work this thing out.

Then the Lord said this:
"They are ALL mine. The unborn, the aged, the prisoners on death row. They are all Mine and nobody has any rights to them except Me!"

From that day on I have sided with God.
Life & death decisions belong to God only.

Anything man does against His will is certainly wrong and most likely sinful.

His,
Rev J

 

[HypnoToad]

Killing a fully formed, functioning human being for the chance that a pregnancy might produce another fully formed, functioning, live human seems to be an awful gamble and one I can't agree with.

Are you saying the baby is less human?

Otherwise, I don't see what in your post makes the mother's life "more valuable".

You talk about incest and rape - how would delivering that baby kill the mother?

It seems to hinge on the fact that something "might" happen to the baby to kill it anyway. I'd then propose that the mother just as well "might" die during the abortion. Or, she could be walking around outside and a brick "might" fall off a building and kill her. Lots of things "might" kill.

 

[Mobiosity]

Are you saying the baby is less human?

Otherwise, I don't see what in your post makes the mother's life "more valuable".

You talk about incest and rape - how would delivering that baby kill the mother?

It seems to hinge on the fact that something "might" happen to the baby to kill it anyway. I'd then propose that the mother just as well "might" die during the abortion. Or, she could be walking around outside and a brick "might" fall off a building and kill her. Lots of things "might" kill.

A pregnancy that would kill the mother if she were to deliver is a viable reason, IMHO, to abort a child.

 

[HypnoToad]

A pregnancy that would kill the mother if she were to deliver is a viable reason, IMHO, to abort a child.

So you've indicated. But the question remains - what makes the mother "more valuable" than the baby?

 

[Mobiosity]

So you've indicated. But the question remains - what makes the mother "more valuable" than the baby?

If the baby would cost the life of the woman, the mother's life needs to take precedence over that of the child.

 

[HypnoToad]

If the baby would cost the life of the woman, the mother's life needs to take precedence over that of the child.

That doesn't explain what makes the mother "more valuable". All you did was re-word your position.

 

[JeffsGirl]

YES! Abortion kills an unborn baby. Killing = Murder

 

[Mobiosity]

That doesn't explain what makes the mother "more valuable". All you did was re-word your position.

The mother is more valuable because she is a fully functioning independent adult. To give up her life for the potential life of an infant who may or may be born alive is wrong. All life is valuable, IF YOU MUST CHOOSE between the life of one or the other.

Why? Would you chose the life of the baby over the life of the mother?

 

[JeffsGirl]

The mother is more valuable because she is a fully functioning independent adult. To give up her life for the potential life of an infant who may or may be born alive is wrong. All life is valuable, IF YOU MUST CHOOSE between the life of one or the other.

Why? Would you chose the life of the baby over the life of the mother?

That should be the MOTHER'S choice to make. Not ours.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I heard that the baby has developed a sense of touch by the 12th week.

This means that the baby will feel the pain of being killed...

 

[HypnoToad]

The mother is more valuable because she is a fully functioning independent adult.

"Fully functioning independent adult".

So, mentally and physically handicapped adults are "less valuable" people?

Any non-adult (teens, younger children) are "less valuable people?

To give up her life for the potential life

"Potential"? The unborn IS alive.

And you are still basing your view on what "might" happen. If everything is normal, what makes the baby inherently "less valuable".

Why? Would you chose the life of the baby over the life of the mother?

Some mothers feel it's worth it to sacrifice their lives for their children's lives. Maybe you should go tell them how foolish they are.

 

[JeffsGirl]

"Fully functioning independent adult".

So, mentally and physically handicapped adults are "less valuable" people?

Any non-adult (teens, younger children) are "less valuable people?

"Potential"? The unborn IS alive.

And you are still basing your view on what "might" happen. If everything is normal, what makes the baby inherently "less valuable".

Some mothers feel it's worth it to sacrifice their lives for their children's lives. Maybe you should go tell them how foolish they are.

I could kiss you! LOL. Very well said! Thank you!

 

[Mobiosity]

"Fully functioning independent adult".

So, mentally and physically handicapped adults are "less valuable" people?

Any non-adult (teens, younger children) are "less valuable people?

"Potential"? The unborn IS alive.

And you are still basing your view on what "might" happen. If everything is normal, what makes the baby inherently "less valuable".

Some mothers feel it's worth it to sacrifice their lives for their children's lives. Maybe you should go tell them how foolish they are.

I think they were foolish to have children in the first place. The mother should have the choice to give up her life in the place of her child. You don't have the right to tell her she must die so the child may live.

 

[JeffsGirl]

I think they were foolish to have children in the first place. The mother should have the choice to give up her life in the place of her child. You don't have the right to tell her she must die so the child may live.

Yeah I do agree that the choice should be there. I am totally against abortion but if I was told I was probably going to die during labor then I would want it to be MY choice and my choice only to give my life for my baby's. Which I would in a heart beat.

 

[HypnoToad]

I think they were foolish to have children in the first place.

Huh??

Are you saying all mothers are foolish for having kids, or just mothers who value their children's lives over their own? Or are you saying something else?

The mother should have the choice to give up her life in the place of her child. You don't have the right to tell her she must die so the child may live.

Ok, not once have I said, "mothers must die for their child". Bit of a strawman there.

I'm asking about YOUR position - why is the baby inherently less valuable?