Is a Contiguous Count of Daniel’s 70 Weeks found in New Testament Writings?

[jgr]

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

It’s clear the antithesis to faith is unbelief, which is how the terms relate. Even so, belief and faith are attributes that develop as God conforms us to the image of the Son. Romans 8:29. If the attributes were the reason God chose us then we would merit salvation and that is unscriptural.

They were broken off because of unbelief, and they are grafted in because of belief.

Romans 11
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

As the plethora of Scriptures corroborate.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

They were broken off because of unbelief, and they are grafted in because of belief.

Romans 11
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

As the plethora of Scriptures corroborate.

1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphasis)

The disobedient were also predestined.

 

[Timtofly]

Should we say that Judas will be in heaven?

Why not? Should any of Adam's dead flesh go to heaven, or all remain dead flesh? Do you get to decide who goes or who does not go? Not my decision.

 

[jgr]

1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphasis)

1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphases)

 

[jgr]

Why not? Should any of Adam's dead flesh go to heaven, or all remain dead flesh? Do you get to decide who goes or who does not go? Not my decision.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus disagrees with you.

 

[Ed Parenteau]

Why do so called Christians defy Christ by holding the unscriptural notion that heaven is our inheritance?

Really?
Matthew 5:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matthew 6:19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

2 Corinthians 4:16Therefore we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17For our light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory that is far beyond comparison. 18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we gro
an, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling,

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Matthew 16: 27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

 

[Timtofly]

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus disagrees with you.

Jesus disagrees that it is not my decision to make?

Seems you have decided, but not me. Why should it be based on another humans decision? It is God's choice, not mine.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

All of your citations are addressed by the OT. As to the burning of the weeds, Isaiah 24 addresses this.

Isaiah 24:
1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. (emphasis mine)​

In the conflagration at Christ's return, there are men left who survive the fire, which is also affirmed by Zechariah.

Zechariah 14:
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle…
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one…
6 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.​

Isaiah also writes about this time.

Isaiah 2:
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​

So what I said has a basis and affirms premillennialism, while amillennialism truly has no basis when all scripture is considered.

Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Maybe you might reason 2 Peter 3:8 in that manner and see it making sense to you, but how do you reason it in that same manner in Psalms 90:4 and see it still making sense to you?

Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

What does the text plainly tell us? It tells us that when something is past, they are then in God's sight but as yesterday. What does the text tell us that when it is past, they are then in God's sight but as yesterday?

A thousand years. This undeniably means that a thousand years involve a finite amount of time, and that to God this thousand years involves the same amount of time every time it has come and gone, thus is past. If a literal thousand years are not meant, this should mean you can tell us how many years are meant here, and that you can use the Bible to show and prove this.

After all, in order for something to be considered past at some point, it literally requires that it involves literal measurable time, because how can time that does not remain consistent, such as, to God it sometimes means a million years, other times it means to Him a billion years, because God is outside of time, thus not confined to time like we are? But even so, that He is not confined to time like we are, a thousand years has to involve the same amount of time every time in order for it to come and go each time, thus is past.

Then we have to factor in that God created time and that time is based upon 24 hour cycles, and that before God created time there was no such concept as time.

You completely misunderstood my point. I mean completely. 100%. What I was saying is simply that God is not confined in the realm of time. You seem to agree with that. And I'm saying that is what 2 Peter 3:8 is saying in a not straightforward way. And so is Psalm 90:4. I'm not getting why you think Psalm 90:4 is saying anything different than 2 Peter 3:8. Since God is not confined within the realm of time at all then one 24 hour day and one thousand years make no difference to Him at all. Do you disagree with that? That is what I believe both Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are saying.

If you say that one thousand years to us is exactly the same as one 24 hour day is to Him then that would confine Him within the realm of time, which is impossible since He created time.

 

[Timtofly]

Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.

The NT has one less chapter that teaches Amil, than the chapter that teaches Pre-mil.

No one has to pretend Revelation 20 is chronologically after Revelation 19.

 

[Timtofly]

If you say that one thousand years to us is exactly the same as one 24 hour day is to Him then that would confine Him within the realm of time, which is impossible since He created time.

There is no indication whatsoever that either chapter are specifying 24 hours. Especially in some translations of the Bible. That concept is a totally made up human interpretation.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphases)

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:21 (No emphasis needed)

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.

Mere bluster! Revelation 20 is just the frosting on top of the cake concerning the NT evidence on Premillennialism. And amillennialism does not use the NT to shine light on the Old but to shroud in in darkness, not unlike the Gnostic cults. You might want to pay attention to my argument with Parenteau, inasmuch as it verifies there is a tremendous amount of NT evidence that exposes the amillennialist doctrines on Matthew 13:40-43, John 5:28-29 and 2 Peter 3:3-13 as fuel for the fire to come (1 Corinthians 3:13).

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Really?
Matthew 5:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Matthew 6:19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

2 Corinthians 4:16Therefore we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17For our light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory that is far beyond comparison. 18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we gro
an, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling,


Matthew 16: 27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Your response is common with some dispensationalists, who attempt to distinguish the kingdom of God from the kingdom of heaven; there is no such distinction. In the “kingdom of heaven,” the tares grow alongside the good seed (Matthew 13:30). That condition is hardly the kingdom to come and God’s will to be done as in heaven (Matthew 6:10); there are no tares in heaven. Rather, the gathering of the good seed into the barn and the destruction of the tares is the kingdom to come in a likeness to heaven and the consummation of the inheritance to the saints in Matthew 5:5. Once more, the condition illustrated by Matthew 13:30 does not support the apportionment of the inheritance to the saints when Christ returns that we witness in Luke 19 with the parable of the ten minas, but rather the interim between the advents when the saints must overcome the tares to receive that inheritance, which we see in the Revelation.

But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Revelation 2:25-27)

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Revelation 3:21)​

The condition in Matthew 13:30a conforms with all of the Revelation prior to Christ’s return in Revelation 19, especially the power given to the beast from the sea to make war with the saints (Revelation 13:7). Your proponent's argument that Matthew 13:40-43 supports amillennialism is as fallacious as your perception of “the kingdom of heaven.”

As to Matthew 16:27-28, it was John who saw the kingdom in a vision when given the Revelation to write down.

 

[jgr]

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:21 (No emphasis needed)

Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?

I do believe I already answered. My point is that belief is an attribute that is developed as God conforms us to the image of the Son. Romans 8:29. If the attribute were the reason God chose us then we would merit salvation and that is unscriptural. Want to get off the merry-go-round?

 

[jgr]

I do believe I already answered. My point is that belief is an attribute that is developed as God conforms us to the image of the Son. Romans 8:29. If the attribute were the reason God chose us then we would merit salvation and that is unscriptural. Want to get off the merry-go-round?

Awaiting an example.

Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Awaiting an example.

Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?

Already ask and answered. No need to proceed further with someone who is merely trolling.

 

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[Jerryhuerta]

Thank you for your admission of Scriptural vacuity.

Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

When the Philippian jailer implored Paul and Silas, "what must I do to be saved",
what was the first word out of their mouths?

Believe.

They didn't instruct him to wait for "an attitude that is developed".

They didn't mention a "merry-go-round".

They admonished him to believe.

The jailer and his house believed.

And were saved then and there.

As is every human being who has believed, does believe, and will believe.

You are abundantly mistaken. The rich man's motive for keeping the commandments was his belief in God and desire to be saved but Christ held it was not possible by his belief alone but by God's election. Matthew 19:16-26