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[dvd_holc]

Hi dvd

So what you are saying is the world is a different place now.

You also seem to be saying jesus did not ask people to leave their life behind and move forward in a new way.

Just to be sure I understand you is this what you are saying

Hey Just the Facts,

Yes, today is a different day with (No) the same struggles. Humanity itself makes many of the same mistakes over and over again. We live with the mistakes of the past which have developed civilizations to what we have today.

But, you may be hearing what I am saying in your context. I am neither a escapist, compromiser, nor a military zealot. Or at least I am developing still into none of them. Now, there is need of a police officer because of the disharmony that theives and murders cause. There is need for leadership within the community to ensure stability. There is need for the military because of global decay of governments. But, I am not even of these.

I put off my sinful nature as I am now a follower of Christ. I have been spiritually born into his living body. In the beginning, God gave the creation for us to participate in. The Christian is the restored humanity who God has purposed to be his shining light. We don't retreat from any need for just people. We are sent into the worst and best places to proclaim the good news that through Christ the Kingdom of God is being brought to bear into this world. Those of Christ are of his Kingdom. The cultures of this world are not seperated nor a reason to be seperated from his purpose of being as God first created us. We have been given this day to make passionate disciples of Christ who will lead the rest of humanity in complete faith. The finally restoration of the complete world is far off, but we live in great anticipation of that day. Whereas, we live out that way here and now. We don't shape the world to meet our needs because that is selfish. We don't force people to love because that is impossible. We don't run away from the world because God put us here. But we go into the world leading the way by charity, mercy, forgiveness, and love not to be heard by a form of correctness in our deeds. Instead, those things reflect grace which God gave us. Through spreading the message of grace will encourage others to live a life for Christ and take back what is ours to begin with.


Shalom,

David

PS. I am sorry for turning this thread away from what it is. And, I have read your complete thread (exodus19). I have not called you any names. Nor, have I reported you. I will be gentle to you.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

What is different today apposed to back then. Governments war .............people murder....governments persecute religions they see as cults.

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Now, there is need of a police officer because of the disharmony that theives and murders cause. There is need for leadership within the community to ensure stability. There is need for the military because of global decay of governments. But, I am not even of these.
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Ther has always been a need in the eyse of mankind for Armies...................it is the deception of Satan to draw nations to Battle.

Have you ever considered that it is impossible to be a soldier of Christ and follow these other paths.

You are wrong Jesus and the Apostles and Saints did ask people to leave the Army.

Clearly Early Christianity thought this. They refused to serve in the Army even if it meant their death.

here is a little tid bit for you.

"Marcellus was a centurion in the Trajana legion. When he became a Christian. He believed the same as his fellow Christians, that war was for Pagans, he threw down his belt at the head of the legion, declaring that he had become a Christian, and that he would serve no longer. He was imprisoned but he held to his faith. "It is not lawful for a Christian to bear arms for any earthly consideration;" He was put to death. Shortly afterwards, Cassian, who was notary to the same legion, gave up his office. He steadfastly maintained the sentiments of Marcellus, and, like him, was executed."

here is another tidbit reguarding this very subject written by Justin a member of St. John's Church at Ephesus

High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob and God of Israel; and we who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,--our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,

Look at Cannon 12 from Nicaea

Canon XII.
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[font=&quot]As many as were called by grace, and displayed the first zeal, having cast aside their military girdles, but afterwards returned, like dogs, to their own vomit,

How amazing that we all learn the creed from Nicaea but have left this truth of early christianity in the dust of are Murderous rapgges of war and greed and revenge.

My point is this..........................Bombing people does not bring security or peace it only brings more violence.

Now Bush says these people attack us because "they Hate freedom".........................please that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

These people Bomb uss and want nukes because we have been killing them and bombing them and murdering them for a very long time.

Why .........................well James gives us the Answer

Jms:4:2: Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

What goes around comes around...............it is just that simple.
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[dvd_holc]

your hardened correctness has blinded you. Though you can and do speak of certain truths, you draw absolute conclusion from specific stuff. I have finished my conversation on this thread.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

How have I been Blinded. Some things are absolutes.

Here is what Jesus teaches when he returns.

2: And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3: And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Yet after this................. when the 1,00 years is over ..................what does Satan do

7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:

Ask yourself why did early Christians refuse to defend themselves...............Why did they not start resistance to Rome why did they Like Jesus and the Apostles walk willingly to their deaths at the hands of Evil men without lifting a finger to defend themselves.

Justin has the answer

Christians, who, having learned the true worship of God from the law, and the word which went forth from Jerusalem by means of the apostles of Jesus, have fled for safety to the God of Jacob and God of Israel; and we who were filled with war, and mutual slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the whole earth changed our warlike weapons,--our swords into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of tillage,

Jesus is the prince of peace ............the Ac is the God of War and forces.

It is time for Christianity to make a choice.

Those who choose wisely will be sealed in the blood of the Lamb and the Plagues will Passover them...................those who choose poorly will suffer the Wrath of God and the second death.

10: He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Mt:26:52: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

That is the Sword out of Jesus mouth.

21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

That is All the Armies of all the Nations on the Face of the Earth.

 

[bertie]

back to the OP for one blurb and see what the implications are?




Isreal preparing for military action against Iran
(i told you so)
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageId=world_home&articleID=2149338