Interracial Relationships

[MatthewKnight]

So if a multi-racial group occurs in vast numbers then it is ok with you?

Yes, if it happens to occur there's no point fighting it. There are millions of Hispanics in the world today, making them a race in their own right.

So the definition of race is different depending on where in the world you are?

Sort of. If you take a British person into Iceland, he remains British. But if you take him into America he becomes white, just like everyone else.

What do you mean "same lack of problems"?

No culture, no identity, no history, no wide peer group to relate to and by accepted by.

People tend to stick with their own race. This is why biracial people have such a problem integrating in general. You claim to be an exception, but most aren't.

Here is an example of what I mean;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz6GtxfIAlE

What if a "white" person marries another "white" person from a distinctly different national and cultural background, like if a Romanian woman married an Icelandic man. What would be the place of their children in the world?

Someone who grew up in England from a German mother and an English father is still going to look just like an Englishman, talk like an Englishman and share the identity of an Englishman. You see where the problems come in if we mix English with Ethiopian.

What is the cultural identity of the half caste child that results from a Swedish and French marriage? Is that child culturally Swedish, or culturally French?

For all purposes; if he grows up in Sweden, he's Swedish. If he grows up in France, he's French.

the idea that "white is white" and "asian is asian" is a recent (for some people) phenomenon for those who accept it,

Definitely - It's an American concept, and America is a young country. That's why I believe Koreans and Japanese could theoretically marry within America, but outside it would be a terrible idea.

 

[beechy]

There is a huge difference between a Scott and a Frenchman and an Englishman and a Nigerian. The father of a mulatto is more similar genetically to a random white person off the street than he is to his own kin. But this is besides the point of the half caste having no identity to call its own.

What makes you think that the father of a mulatto is more similar genetically to a random white person off the street than he is to his own kin?

I don't just take the Biblical verses into account - I take the fact of being a good person into this. It is a selfish action to bring a half caste into the world, not a beneficial one. You may like your asian wife all and well, but the resulting Eurasian who has nowhere to fit in for his entire life would much prefer he was born to two white parents.

Dude, I'm "Eurasian". I totally don't wish I had two white parents. I know other "Eurasians". None of them feel the way you're describing.

Never been a single case of that happening throughout 6000 years of recorded history. When one race has displaced another, the culture and national identity was displaced with it.

What are you talking about? My friend's mother is Chinese American and her family has been in America for several generations. She doesn't speak Chinese. At Chinese New Year they celebrate by grabbing some Chinese food from Panda Express. Their mailbox is painted like the star spangled banner in bright red white and blue. They don't have any Chinese flags. She's an American through and through, and worlds closer in cultural identity to her "white" husband than her Chinese ancestors. So what's her race?

Within their host countries, they don't. There is black, asian, white etc pride, but where is the "black and white" pride parade? Biracial people are so rare that they have few people to relate to. It is theoretical that you could have "biracial pride," but biracial people have no history to look back on, nor a culture to call their own.

According to the 2000 U.S. Census, approximately 6.8 million Americans -- 2.4 percent of the total U.S. population -- self-identify with two or more racial categories. I'm proud to be an American. That's my identity. And I'm proud of my European ancestry (which has been in the United States since the Mayflower), as well as my Asian ancestry. That's my identity too.

 

[wanderingone]

There is a huge difference between a Scott and a Frenchman and an Englishman and a Nigerian. The father of a mulatto is more similar genetically to a random white person off the street than he is to his own kin. But this is besides the point of the half caste having no identity to call its own.

I don't just take the Biblical verses into account - I take the fact of being a good person into this. It is a selfish action to bring a half caste into the world, not a beneficial one. You may like your asian wife all and well, but the resulting Eurasian who has nowhere to fit in for his entire life would much prefer he was born to two white parents.



Never been a single case of that happening throughout 6000 years of recorded history. When one race has displaced another, the culture and national identity was displaced with it.

Take for examine what happened in Hawaii. Historically the Japanese migrated en masse the Island and eventually became a majority there. Did they adhere to the “Hawaiian culture?” – certainly not. They took their own culture with them. We see a similar situation in Britain today, where immigrants refuse to take our culture on board and clamour for Sharia law to be implemented. Or Hispanics waving the Mexican flag during sporting events in America.



I got the impression you were saying every race was exactly the same except for skin colour. My mistake.



Within their host countries, they don't. There is black, asian, white etc pride, but where is the "black and white" pride parade? Biracial people are so rare that they have few people to relate to. It is theoretical that you could have "biracial pride," but biracial people have no history to look back on, nor a culture to call their own.

You think "biracial" people are "rare" ?????????

You think "white" people around the world share "white" pride "worldwide"? That's a bumpersticker slogan LOL.

In the US if one is insistent on declaring histories as specific to certain ethnic groups I can assure you that "biracial" people have a history all of their own... entire social communities rose out of the notion of fitting into assorted labels such as "quadroon"

Not sure why people need to be proud of their complexion... nobody does anything to earn "whiteness" or "blackness" it's purely an accident of birth. Now obviously if you live in a world that says only a certain complexion has value there is some serious self esteem building that needs to go on... but I really don't want my kids to be "proud" of their complexion... If they really must fall to the sin of pride I'd rather that fall come from something they accomplished in life rather than some misguided notion that being pale skinned or dark skinned means something more than what genes they inherited.

 

[stan1980]

There are lots of ways people identify themselves. It could be from the town they are born, the accent they speak, their profession, their gender, their orientation and even the football team they support.

Just because someone is of mixed race doesn't mean they have no identity. In fact you could say they have more identity considering they have family from two or more seperate blood lines. In fact the only reason why they may feel they don't fit in is because racists like MatthewKnight spout the rubbish they speak.

While people like Matthew "the bigot" Knight continue to judge people by the colour of their skin racism will still exist. People like you make me sick.

 

[beechy]

Yes, if it happens to occur there's no point fighting it. There are millions of Hispanics in the world today, making them a race in their own right.

So they became a race despite what should have happened if everybody followed the Bible? Do you believe that Hispanics shouldn't exist in a Biblical world?

Sort of. If you take a British person into Iceland, he remains British. But if you take him into America he becomes white, just like everyone else.

So for you race is a fungible concept defined entirely by perception?

No culture, no identity, no history, no wide peer group to relate to and by accepted by.

People tend to stick with their own race. This is why biracial people have such a problem integrating in general. You claim to be an exception, but most aren't.

Here is an example of what I mean;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz6GtxfIAlE

What makes you think this guy is more representative of the multiracial psyche than I am?

Someone who grew up in England from a German mother and an English father is still going to look just like an Englishman, talk like an Englishman and share the identity of an Englishman. You see where the problems come in if we mix English with Ethiopian.

So mixing races is only a bad thing if people can visually detect it?

For all purposes; if he grows up in Sweden, he's Swedish. If he grows up in France, he's French.

But if a person of mixed Chinese and French ancestry grows up in France, he's not French, and this all has to do with the way he looks and his ability to "pass"?

Definitely - It's an American concept, and America is a young country. That's why I believe Koreans and Japanese could theoretically marry within America, but outside it would be a terrible idea.

Do you think the Bible is ok with Koreans and Japanese marrying?

 

[MatthewKnight]

What makes you think that the father of a mulatto is more similar genetically to a random white person off the street than he is to his own kin?

The last time I checked, I believe there's about 0.1% difference between the European races, but 0.12% difference between the European races and the African races. When we consider there's only a 1% difference between humans and a chimpanzee, this is significant. I've yet to meet anyone who wasn't white who actually acted as if they were "white" in their mannerisms. The reason world cultures are so different is because the races are different.

Secondly, the child would look nothing like his father. Half black children have dark skin, wavy black hair and brown eyes.

Dude, I'm "Eurasian". I totally don't wish I had two white parents. I know other "Eurasians". None of them feel the way you're describing.

I was talking to a Korean just yesterday who said every Eurasian he knows could never fit in with either whites or asians. They were permanently lost between the two groups. Again -- you claim to be an exception, but most people don't share that experience.

What are you talking about? My friend's mother is Chinese American and her family has been in America for several generations. She doesn't speak Chinese. At Chinese New Year they celebrate by grabbing some Chinese food from Panda Express. Their mailbox is painted like the star spangled banner in bright red white and blue. They don't have any Chinese flags. She's an American through and through, and worlds closer in cultural identity to her "white" husband than her Chinese ancestors. So what's her race?

Chinese-American. While there is an American identity, there is also a racial identity to take into account. If I moved to America I wouldn't forget about my history and ancestry as an Englishman, and nor would my children. It would be a sad day if America became a blend of all races. So much for "diversity" - that would certainly be the end of it.

According to the 2000 U.S. Census, approximately 6.8 million Americans -- 2.4 percent of the total U.S. population -- self-identify with two or more racial categories. I'm proud to be an American. That's my identity. And I'm proud of my European ancestry (which has been in the United States since the Mayflower), as well as my Asian ancestry. That's my identity too.

It's well and good that you've found your place in the world, but a huge number of half castes are unable to. The fact of the matter is that Asians do not regard Eurasians as Asian, and Whites do not regard them as White. There's no use making things hard for your child instead of just sticking with your own kind. I'm English, by birth, so I can only teach English pride to my children. I don't know how I'd ever teach "multiracial pride."

While people like Matthew "the bigot" Knight continue to judge people by the colour of their skin racism will still exist. People like you make me sick.

Definitions of bigot:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.

Let me ask you sir, who is the real bigot here?

 

[keith99]

It's well and good that you've found your place in the world, but a huge number of half castes are unable to. The fact of the matter is that Asians do not regard Eurasians as Asian, and Whites do not regard them as White. There's no use making things hard for your child instead of just sticking with your own kind. I'm English, by birth, so I can only teach English pride to my children. I don't know how I'd ever teach "multiracial pride."

So if bigots exist they should win? The U.S. is far from perfect but at least in most of it Asian-"white" mixes have no significant problems.

I really do pitty oanyone whose source of pride is race based. Racial pride is for those who have done and will do nothing noteworthy. And I consider being a good parent who raises their children quite noteworthy, as I consider the good report of friends and neighbors.

 

[stan1980]

Definitions of bigot:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.

Let me ask you sir, who is the real bigot here?

Well i think you have made it pretty clear you are intolerant of peoples choice to have interracial relationships. So yes, i do define you as a bigot.

It also seems you only identify or at least put a lot of emphasis on people by the country they are from or the colour of their skin. That is pretty sad. There is much more to a person than that

 

[MatthewKnight]

So if bigots exist they should win? The U.S. is far from perfect but at least in most of it Asian-"white" mixes have no significant problems.

I really do pitty oanyone whose source of pride is race based. Racial pride is for those who have done and will do nothing noteworthy. And I consider being a good parent who raises their children quite noteworthy, as I consider the good report of friends and neighbors.

So it honestly wouldn't bother you if the whole world became one race?

Italy no longer Italy?
France no longer France?
Japan no longer Japan?
Ireland no longer Ireland?

Everywhere you go, one homogenous race, the tanned-everyman?

I love different races and cultures. I love them so much that I want them to be preserved. That is what keeps the world diverse and exciting.

I can't imagine living in such a boring world. I love to learn about English history, Chinese history, Japanese history. Where would that all go in one huge mix of all races? It would indeed become "history."

Well i think you have made it pretty clear you are intolerant of peoples choice to have interracial relationships. So yes, i do define you as a bigot.

It also seems you only identify or at least put a lot of emphasis on people by the country they are from or the colour of their skin. That is pretty sad. There is much more to a person than that

If you want to preach to people that pride is wrong, feel free to visit the next Mexican or Irish pride parade they're holding and tell them about the evils of racism. They may even be receptive.

 

[stan1980]

So it honestly wouldn't bother you if the whole world became one race?

Italy no longer Italy?
France no longer France?
Japan no longer Japan?
Ireland no longer Ireland?

Everywhere you go, one homogenous race, the tanned-everyman?

I love different races and cultures. I love them so much that I want them to be preserved. That is what keeps the world diverse and exciting.

I can't imagine living in such a boring world. I love to learn about English history, Chinese history, Japanese history. Where would that all go in one huge mix of all races? It would indeed become "history."

We'd probably have less war and less bloodshed. Anyway, your proposition of one homogenous race is ridiculous. After the stuff i heard you spouting yesterday (disease is all down to bad diet), it doesn't really suprise me. I read you are English. Quite frankly, i feel ashamed to share the same country as you

 

[wanderingone]

meh.. I'm bored.. the pseudo intellectual "I'm not a racist but I have white pride" stuff is incredibly dull after so many years of hearing it. Of course there's always hope... if someone like George Burdi can turn his back on RaHoWa and Church of the Creator I supposed anyone can find their way out of hatred disguised as "pride"

 

[Lockguy3000]

The genetic makeup of the people who inhabit a country. Race is what makes the people what they are; and hence the country what they are. If the Irish country became displaced with Asians, it would no longer be Ireland, it would be a new country, because the Irish people who make up the values and traditions would be lost.

http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=1297

Do these look like European people to you? Race is not just "skin colour." It is a unique identity.
A child needs an identity to relate to, something a half caste does not have.

So you are saying here that Asians have no value

I notice you don't have children, and are not married,
Are you jealous we good looking Asians are taking your women?
HHmm, look at my WHITE WIFE

You are one sad racist piece of garbage

 

[MatthewKnight]

meh.. I'm bored.. the pseudo intellectual "I'm not a racist but I have white pride" stuff is incredibly dull after so many years of hearing it. Of course there's always hope... if someone like George Burdi can turn his back on RaHoWa and Church of the Creator I supposed anyone can find their way out of hatred disguised as "pride"

Indeed? Let me ask you then; is this hatred?

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper694/stills/wkb7ltjz.jpg

http://www.sovo.com/2003/9-5/news/localnews/black-pride-parade.jpg

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_th...ckphoto_48733_copenhagen_gay_pride_parade.jpg

These evil people, of course, are taking pride in something they were born with. Sickening!

So you are saying here that Asians have no value

I notice you don't have children, and are not married,
Are you jealous we good looking Asians are taking your women?
HHmm, look at my WHITE WIFE

You are one sad racist piece of garbage

If you think that speaking out against bringing children into the world with serious problems from the get go is "racist" -- think so.

The woman I'm engaged to is English, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[stan1980]

If you want to preach to people that pride is wrong, feel free to visit the next Mexican or Irish pride parade they're holding and tell them about the evils of racism. They may even be receptive.

I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here. When did i say having pride in your heritage is wrong? What would be wrong is to say Irish people can only marry Irish people.

 

[KarateCowboy]

So you are saying here that Asians have no value

I notice you don't have children, and are not married,
Are you jealous we good looking Asians are taking your women?
HHmm, look at my WHITE WIFE

You are one sad racist piece of garbage

Countering racism with racism like "we good looking Asians" is not a step in the right direction.

 

[beechy]

The last time I checked, I believe there's about 0.1% difference between the European races, but 0.12% difference between the European races and the African races. When we consider there's only a 1% difference between humans and a chimpanzee, this is significant.

Since you get half your DNA from your father and half from your mother, your DNA is more than 99.9% the same as your parents. Your DNA is also more similar to that of your grandparents or cousins than to that of a random stranger. Paternity tests use this greater similarity to figure out who the parents are.

I've yet to meet anyone who wasn't white who actually acted as if they were "white" in their mannerisms.

Totally meaningless, both in terms of its evidentiary value, and in terms of its contribution to a discussion about genetic variation.

The reason world cultures are so different is because the races are different.

Cite?

I was talking to a Korean just yesterday who said every Eurasian he knows could never fit in with either whites or asians. They were permanently lost between the two groups. Again -- you claim to be an exception, but most people don't share that experience.

So who's right, your biracial friend or me?

Chinese-American. While there is an American identity, there is also a racial identity to take into account. If I moved to America I wouldn't forget about my history and ancestry as an Englishman, and nor would my children. It would be a sad day if America became a blend of all races. So much for "diversity" - that would certainly be the end of it.

But you say that if a Swedish-French "half caste" person grew up in France then he'd be French. Why the difference?

It's well and good that you've found your place in the world, but a huge number of half castes are unable to. The fact of the matter is that Asians do not regard Eurasians as Asian, and Whites do not regard them as White. There's no use making things hard for your child instead of just sticking with your own kind. I'm English, by birth, so I can only teach English pride to my children. I don't know how I'd ever teach "multiracial pride."

Multiracial pride doesn't need to be taught, it just is. My parents brought different and common things to the table and I absorbed a little from each and from the rest of the world around me. I relate to both sides of my long term heritage. And I relate to the heritage of the country I was born in as well.

 

[stan1980]

If you think that speaking out against bringing children into the world with serious problems from the get go is "racist" -- think so.

The only reason children "might" have a problem is down to racists like you. Having mixed bloodlines myself i often get mistaken for being mediterranean or even turkish. I've never had a problem with that, and besides there is much more to me than what i look like. If someone came up to me and spouted half the stuff which you have said i would have a problem, in fact they would be lucky if they were still standing to be honest.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. Thankfully people like you are in the minority... i'm out.

 

[beechy]

So it honestly wouldn't bother you if the whole world became one race?

Italy no longer Italy?
France no longer France?
Japan no longer Japan?
Ireland no longer Ireland?

Everywhere you go, one homogenous race, the tanned-everyman?

I love different races and cultures. I love them so much that I want them to be preserved. That is what keeps the world diverse and exciting.

I can't imagine living in such a boring world. I love to learn about English history, Chinese history, Japanese history. Where would that all go in one huge mix of all races? It would indeed become "history."



If you want to preach to people that pride is wrong, feel free to visit the next Mexican or Irish pride parade they're holding and tell them about the evils of racism. They may even be receptive.

I also think the diversity of world culture is exciting. But that doesn't mean people shouldn't be free to marry whoever they want. Cultures evolve. So what?

 

[gengwall]

So it honestly wouldn't bother you if the whole world became one race?

Italy no longer Italy?
France no longer France?
Japan no longer Japan?
Ireland no longer Ireland?.

In response to my question, you said that a Swedish/French union would not be an inter-racial marriage. Now you call Italian and French distinct "races" - your word, not mine. So:

Are French and Italian different races?
Would a French and Italian marriage be inter-racial?

 

[MatthewKnight]

In response to my question, you said that a Swedish/French union would not be an inter-racial marriage. Now you call Italian and French distinct "races" - your word, not mine. So:

Are French and Italian different races?
Would a French and Italian marriage be inter-racial?

A half-italian, half-frenchman who grows up in Italy just like a normal Italian boy is going to be assimilated into that culture. The same is untrue for a half asian or a half black, who looks and behaves nothing like the local people, nor does he have a similar genetic makeup.

I also think the diversity of world culture is exciting. But that doesn't mean people shouldn't be free to marry whoever they want. Cultures evolve. So what?

I'm advocating nothing in the way of anti-miscegenenation laws.

I'm merely giving my own views on the subject - this is, after all, a discussion forum; my own views being, of course, that in the majority of cases it hurts the children.

The only reason children "might" have a problem is down to racists like you. Having mixed bloodlines myself i often get mistaken for being mediterranean or even turkish. I've never had a problem with that, and besides there is much more to me than what i look like. If someone came up to me and spouted half the stuff which you have said i would have a problem, in fact they would be lucky if they were still standing to be honest.

Anyway, this is ridiculous. Thankfully people like you are in the minority... i'm out.

You believe that most people are so self hating they think we should all morph into one homogenous race? If so, you're mistaken. Everyone I know agrees with my views. As far as possible those in the same country should marry; failing that, biracial people should marry the biracial, whites with whites, blacks with blacks, hispanics with hispanics, asians with asians.

In the animal kingdom species never breed outside their race - ever. Only when domesticated and forced to do they do this, such as in the case of dogs. The fact God created the natural order in this way should be clear to people, not to mention the countless Bible verses speaking out against the mixing of the races.