Interracial Relationships

[MatthewKnight]

Interracial marriage is strictly forbidden by the Bible. Not only is it unnatural but immensely cruel to any half castes that may result.

The last thing in the world that God would want is the worlds races mixing into one, the "tan-everyman" with no culture or identity. They were made separate for a reason.

A mere sample of the verses which prohibit it;

"Thou shalt not take a wife...of the Canaanites... but thou shall go... to my kindred, and take a wife." Gen 24:3-4

"I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shall drive them out before thee." Ex 23:31 " They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me." Ex 23:33

"I am the Lord your God, which have separated you from other people." Lev 20:24

"So shall we be separated, I and all of Thy People, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth." Ex 33:16

"Neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son." Deut 7:3

"If ye do in any wise go back and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them and they unto you: know for a certainty... that they shall be snares and traps unto you and scourges in your sides and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish off from this good land which the Lord your God has given you." Joshua 23:12-13

"And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all the strangers." Neh. 9:2

"Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude. Neh. 13:3

 

[gengwall]

Interracial marriage is strictly forbidden by the Bible. Not only is it unnatural but immensely cruel and selfish to any half castes that may result.

The last thing in the world that God would want is the worlds races mixing into one, the "tan-everyman" with no culture or identity. They were made separate for a reason.

A mere sample of the verses which prohibit it;

"Thou shalt not take a wife...of the Canaanites... but thou shall go... to my kindred, and take a wife." Gen 24:3-4

"I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shall drive them out before thee." Ex 23:31 " They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me." Ex 23:33

"I am the Lord your God, which have separated you from other people." Lev 20:24

"So shall we be separated, I and all of Thy People, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth." Ex 33:16

"Neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son." Deut 7:3

"If ye do in any wise go back and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them and they unto you: know for a certainty... that they shall be snares and traps unto you and scourges in your sides and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish off from this good land which the Lord your God has given you." Joshua 23:12-13

"And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all the strangers." Neh. 9:2

"Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude. Neh. 13:3

And what about "there is no Jew or Greek"?

And what about Rahab being in the lineage of Jesus?

The verses you quote are from ancient Israel. How does that apply to Christians today? Marriage is a covenant between two people before God. It has nothing at all to do with race.

 

[MatthewKnight]

And what about "there is no Jew or Greek"?

And what about Rahab being in the lineage of Jesus?

The verses you quote are from ancient Israel. How does that apply to Christians today? Marriage is a covenant between two people before God. It has nothing at all to do with race.

Jesus himself quoted from 24 different books of the Old Testament. Just because these were commandments to the Israelites, it's no suggestion that they aren't commandments to every man and woman on this planet. By the logic you're using, we should promote homosexuality, incest and bestiality - they were only commandments given to the ancient Israelites.

Not relevant to the modern world today.

The Bible is explicitly clear where it stands. One blood of all nations - and all nations created separately.

 

[beechy]

Interracial marriage is strictly forbidden by the Bible. Not only is it unnatural but immensely cruel and selfish to any half castes that may result.

The last thing in the world that God would want is the worlds races mixing into one, the "tan-everyman" with no culture or identity. They were made separate for a reason.

U n b e l i e v a b l e. I, as a "tan-everyman" of interracial parents have a couple of questions for you:

1) Define race. (Ok, not a question, but rather a request).

2) What makes you think I have no culture or identity?

 

[gengwall]

Jesus himself quoted from 24 different books of the Old Testament. Just because these were commandments to the Israelites, it's no suggestion that they aren't commandments to every man and woman on this planet. By the logic you're using, we should promote homosexuality, incest and bestiality - they were only commandments given to the ancient Israelites.

Not relevant to the modern world today.

The Bible is explicitly clear where it stands. One blood of all nations - and all nations created separately.

Amazing how you failed to answer even one of the simple questions I posed.

 

[beechy]

The Bible is explicitly clear where it stands. One blood of all nations - and all nations created separately.

Are race and nationality distinct or synonymous concepts in your mind?

 

[MatthewKnight]

U n b e l i e v a b l e. I, as a "tan-everyman" of interracial parents have a couple of questions for you:

1) Define race. (Ok, not a question, but rather a request).

2) What makes you think I have no culture or identity?

I'm referring to the collective of people who make up a nation. The world nation itself comes from the latin natos which means a common people, in other words a race. The Chinese have their national identity, as do the English and the Germans and every other country upon this earth.

Bi-racial children, to this day, are searching for an identity other than "the human race". When someone says English Pride, they don't have to try and throw in an additional "and Asian, Indian, Black etc pride" as well.

It's cruel to bring a child into the world you cannot teach pride to. A mulatto child will never be black, nor white. They will never fully be able to relate to their mother or their father. Racial purity guarantees a child it's own natural place in the world. My mother and father loved me so much that they tried to ensure I have the best life possible by making sure I was not outcasted by two cultures, rather, accepted by my culture; their culture.

To then mix these identities is to inflict suffering on the resulting half caste. Race mixing is only a recent concept of the past fifty years. I will never support it. I reject it personally and I reject it on account of the clear statements made in the Biblical scriptures.

 

[MatthewKnight]

Amazing how you failed to answer even one of the simple questions I posed.

You said "the verses you quote are from ancient Israel." You then received a perfectly clear answer.

 

[gengwall]

I'm referring to the collective of people who make up a nation. The world nation itself comes from the latin natos which means a common people, in other words a race. The Chinese have their national identity, as do the English and the Germans and every other country upon this earth.

Bi-racial children, to this day, are searching for an identity other than "the human race". When someone says English Pride, they don't have to try and throw in an additional "and Asian, Indian, Black etc pride" as well.

It's cruel to bring a child into the world you cannot teach pride to. A mulatto child will never be black, nor white. They will never fully be able to relate to their mother or their father. Racial purity guarantees a child it's own natural place in the world. My mother and father loved me so much that they tried to ensure I have the best life possible by making sure I was not outcasted by two cultures, rather, accepted by my culture; their culture.

To then mix these identities is to inflict suffering on the resulting half caste. Race mixing is only a recent concept of the past fifty years. I will never support it. I reject it personally and I reject it on account of the clear statements made in the Biblical scriptures.

So, is "American" a race? Do you object to, say, a Swede marrying a Norwegian or is it just those nasty combinations that yield "tan" children?

 

[gengwall]

You said "the verses you quote are from ancient Israel." You then received a perfectly clear answer.

My quote on the verses was a statement, not a question. I posed two simple questions which you completely avoided. I asked about Paul's teaching that "there is no Greek or Jew" and about Jesus' having a non-Jew in his lineage. You did not answer those questions.

 

[MatthewKnight]

No I didn't. I asked about Paul's teaching that "there is no Greek or Jew" and about Jesus' having a non-Jew in his lineage. You did not answer those questions.

Quote where Paul said "there is no Greek or Jew" and the context it was given in. I've never heard anything of the sort.

As for Jesus - it's made very clear in Matthew that he descended from Abraham, David and Soloman.

So, is "American" a race? Do you object to, say, a Swede marrying a Norwegian or is it just those nasty combinations that yield "tan" children?

Preferably people marry within their own country, though practically no damage is made when two whites from Europe marry, nor two asians (eg Korean and Japanese) nor two blacks from, say, Ethiopia and Libya. The problems arise when the child is born of two completely separate continents and racial makeups.

 

[beechy]

I'm referring to the collective of people who make up a nation. The world nation itself comes from the latin natos which means a common people, in other words a race. The Chinese have their national identity, as do the English and the Germans and every other country upon this earth.

So race = nationality?

Bi-racial children, to this day, are searching for an identity other than "the human race". When someone says English Pride, they don't have to try and throw in an additional "and Asian, Indian, Black etc pride" as well.

It's cruel to bring a child into the world you cannot teach pride to. A mulatto child will never be black, nor white. They will never fully be able to relate to their mother or their father. Racial purity guarantees a child it's own natural place in the world. My mother and father loved me so much that they tried to ensure I have the best life possible by making sure I was not outcasted by two cultures, rather, accepted by my culture; their culture.

Nothing you mention here has been problematic for me as a "bi-racial" person. I'm completely content with who I am in that regard.

To then mix these identities is to inflict suffering on the resulting half caste. Race mixing is only a recent concept of the past fifty years. I will never support it. I reject it personally and I reject it on account of the clear statements made in the Biblical scriptures.

I have not suffered as a result of my mixed heritage.

 

[BigBadWlf]

And what about "there is no Jew or Greek"?

And what about Rahab being in the lineage of Jesus?

The verses you quote are from ancient Israel. How does that apply to Christians today? Marriage is a covenant between two people before God. It has nothing at all to do with race.

Wow Geng, are you actually saying that people can and do use their own personal interoperations of bible verses to justify discrimination? and that verses from ancient Israel have no practical meaning in today’s society?

amazing

 

[MatthewKnight]

So race = nationality?

Nationality is race, rather than the other way around.

When the Normans took over England, the country then became a Norman nationality because of the predominate Norman racial makeup. The Celtic nationality was lost because the Celtic race was displaced.

I have not suffered as a result of my mixed heritage.

Good for you.

Unfortunately, the same isn't true for nearly everyone else.

 

[gengwall]

Quote where Paul said "there is no Greek or Jew" and the context it was given in. I've never heard anything of the sort.

You have never heard of this teaching???

"As for Jesus - it's made very clear in Matthew that he descended from Abraham, David and Soloman.

And what of Luke's lineage?

"Preferably people marry within their own country, though practically no damage is made when two whites from Europe marry, nor two asians (eg Korean and Japanese) nor two blacks from, say, Ethiopia and Libya. The problems arise when the child is born of two completely separate continents and racial makeups.

But you claim the bible is CLEAR that there should be NO inter-racial marriage. What kind of children are produced and what kind of problems they may have is irrelevant if it is a sin to marry someone from another race, even if it is another race within sub group. Do you now contend that the biblical law is conditional on skin color and cultural problems that may result? Please demonstrate how the scriptures you quoted have a qualifier which exempts you from the law if your skin is of the same shade and your kids will get along well with their neighbors.

 

[beechy]

Nationality is race, rather than the other way around.

When you're equating to things it doesn't matter which one you say first. In other words: 2 + 2 = 4 is the same as 4 = 2 + 2.

When the Normans took over England, the country then became a Norman nationality because of the predominate Norman racial makeup.

So nationality only has something to do with race in the sense that nations (you believe) are usually comprised of a single race. But what is "race"?

Good for you.

Unfortunately, the same isn't true for nearly everyone else.

Why do you think most people have these horrific identity problems if their parents come from different backgrounds?

 

[MatthewKnight]

You have never heard of this teaching???

No.

And what of Luke's lineage?

Go ahead and tell me.

But you claim the bible is CLEAR that there should be NO inter-racial marriage. What kind of children are produced and what kind of problems they may have is irrelevant if it is a sin to marry someone from another race, even if it is another race within sub group. Do you now contend that the biblical law is conditional on skin color and cultural problems that may result? Please demonstrate how the scriptures you quoted have a qualifier which exempts you from the law if your skin is of the same shade and your kids will get along well with their neighbors.

You're confusing things.

I've stated here both my personal reasons for rejecting interracial marriage (since this is, after all, a flat out Ethics forum and not a Theology forum) and secondly quoted the appropriate verses in the Bible, a small sampling of which which you can refer to on page three.

I consider people of all races my brothers in Christ. But that greater plan doesn’t involve the human species being homogenized into one mongrel race; “the tan-everyman." I am English and want my English children to live in an English country, and to respect the tradition and culture of their forefathers.

 

[MatthewKnight]

So nationality only has something to do with race in the sense that nations (you believe) are usually comprised of a single race. But what is "race"?

The genetic makeup of the people who inhabit a country. Race is what makes the people what they are; and hence the country what they are. If the Irish country became displaced with Asians, it would no longer be Ireland, it would be a new country, because the Irish people who make up the values and traditions would be lost.

http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=1297

Do these look like European people to you? Race is not just "skin colour." It is a unique identity.

Why do you think most people have these horrific identity problems if their parents come from different backgrounds?

A child needs an identity to relate to, something a half caste does not have.

 

[gengwall]

No.



Go ahead and tell me.



You're confusing things.

I've stated here both my personal reasons for rejecting interracial marriage (since this is, after all, a flat out Ethics forum and not a Theology forum) and secondly quoted the appropriate verses in the Bible, a small sampling of which which you can refer to on page three.

I consider people of all races my brothers in Christ. But that greater plan doesn’t involve the human species being homogenized into one mongrel race; “the tan-everyman." I am English and want my English children to live in an English country, and to respect the tradition and culture of their forefathers.

But you stated "Interracial marriage is strictly forbidden by the Bible", not "MatthewNight thinks inter-racial marriage is a bad idea". Are you now backing off of that original position?

 

[MatthewKnight]

But you stated "Interracial marriage is strictly forbidden by the Bible", not "MatthewNight thinks inter-racial marriage is a bad idea". Are you now backing off of that original position?

It is forbidden.

Check the verses on page 3.