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Featured International standard recognizes Sunday as the 7th day of the week...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by frogoon234, May 14, 2019.

  1. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    not according to the biblical calendar....the first day of the week is Yom Rishon (the first day of the week that is English Sunday). The Sabbath is the 7th day.
     
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  2. ViaCrucis

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    Saturday is the seventh day of the week on the Roman weekly cycle which we inherited, which also corresponds with the Jewish Sabbath, the seventh day.

    The seven day weekly cycle was accepted widely throughout much of the ancient world.

    I don't get the point in arguing this. There's no hidden secret going on here, what in English we call Sunday (derived from the Roman day of the same name) is the first day of the seven day weekly cycle; and what we call Saturday (derived from the Roman day of the same name) is the seventh day of that same weekly cycle. The Roman Saturn's Day corresponds with the Jewish Sabbath, just as the Roman Sun's Day corresponds with the Christian Lord's Day.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  3. HatGuy

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    Sunday has always been the first day of the week. Remember, Christ died on a Friday, rested on Saturday, and was raised "on the third day", which is a Sunday.

    Christians worshipped on Sundays traditionally because that's when Christ was raised.

    The practice continues because the day Christ was raised also prophetically points to the NEW creation. We worship on the first day of the creation because doing so reminds us (and implies) the coming new creation.

    This is why worship on Sunday is both Biblical and traditional. The Sabbath practice can now be moved to Sunday or remain on Saturday, whatever a Christian chooses.
     
  4. Strong in Him

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    The world can call it what they like.

    Or Son's day - depending on how you look at it.
    Monday is named after the moon, and Tuesday-Saturday after other pagan gods. The months of the year are also named after other gods.

    No; I don't think it even has to be the same day.
    Some people work on Sundays - clergy, for example, and also emergency services. When I was careworker in a hostel, Sunday was a working day; my days off were Thursday and Friday.

    Which is why I don't think the day matters.
    God "rested" on the 7th day. What does that mean? Did God really need to rest from his work?
    Was there a day when God was absent and not with us, because to help us or intervene in any way would have been work?
    Or was it that he wanted it to be known that he "rested" as an example to us - we cannot push ourselves to the point of burnout, we need to rest, to appreciate his creation, be with family and so on.
     
  5. frogoon234

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    Why does Israel decide. Shouldn't the 66 books of the Bible decide or perhaps the Holy Spirit?
     
  6. frogoon234

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    The basic point is this issue of what day the consistent sabbath is on is dead religion and is arbituary.
     
  7. frogoon234

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    Some churches claim that when the anti christ comes, that he will entice people to fall away from christianity because they accepted the wrong sabbath day.
     
  8. frogoon234

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    How is the verses below saying we won't continue to sin in the future after becoming christians. I think there are short term and long term beneifits to loving our fellow man (1st Corinthians chapter 3)

    However how much love do you have to have for your fellow man to refrain from losing your salvation from eternal suffering? How do you quantify your love for your fellow man? How does Jesus quantify our love for our fellow man?

    There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

    3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

    6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: 7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be: 8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
     
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  10. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    God decided...
     
  11. frogoon234

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    Correct the 66 books of the Bible are the inspired word of the living God. I agree with this.
     
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    Hi frogoon,

    Thanks for your reply. I would not agree with all of that statement. While I do agree that following the practices of the Jewish faith is no longer of any value for any of us, and therefore, a 'dead' faith, the establishment of the day of the Sabbath was a command of God and not arbitrary by any means.

    Throughout the hundreds of years before the fulfillment of the law in the life and death and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus, the Israelites were pretty consistent in living six days and having a day of rest that was carried on from the day of the law's inception. Then, even beyond the life of the Christ here upon the earth, the Jews were still very regular in keeping to the six and one Sabbath count.

    However, now a non-religious entity has stepped in to establish the 'count' of the seven days of the week and that entity, likely because many people see Monday as the first day of the week because that's the day that they start their work week, has established that Monday is the first day of the week. That means that the group that is being arbitrary, and now throwing into question how we count the days of the week, is the ISO.

    This is a group of people who, some thousands of years after the inception of the law of the Sabbath, and with no regard for that law, have merely arbitrarily established as an international standard that Monday is the first day of the week. That's fine with me as far as it goes in setting the timetable for the world to count days. But, it has no bearing on the things of God. It's a point that honestly is not worth arguing to the world at large, but to someone who desires to understand the Sabbath, it's always going to be that the Sabbath begins at sundown and Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. The next day to come, whatever the name of that day is, is the first day of the week according to God's establishing of the week of seven days.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
  13. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Only since the Romans made it so. A couple thousand years does seem like always, though. Before that, it was a lunar calendar, and the Jews did not recognize the Sabbath as a Saturday or any synonym of it, because it was not defined as the seventh day.
     
  14. frogoon234

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    Well the good news is Sunday is the 7th day of the week and it is not the first day of the week as some people say it is.
    I couldn't disagree more. I'll give you an example. If the calendar was slightly wrong (back in those days the calendar very often was wrong due to astronomy understanding problems) they may have been celebrating the Sabbath on slightly the wrong day. The ISO correctly calls the 7th day of the week Sunday.

    Jesus Christ isn't going to judge me for celebrating the Sabbath (Sabbath was made for man) on the 7th day of the week.
     
  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    Then you agree the Sabbath is on the 7th day...our Saturday
     
  16. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    The 7th day is Saturday, not Sunday. Sunday is the 1st day of the week biblically.
     
  17. frogoon234

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    I'm not sure whether or not i agree with that statement. Some people see the Sunday as the 7th day and some people see the 7th day as Saturday. Either way its trivial.

    Saturday comes from the Roman god Chronos or Saturn. This is a pagan god.
     
  18. frogoon234

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    we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe this is a extremely trivial point as far as some churches take it.
     
  19. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Those people would be wrong. Sunday is the 7th day on the English calendar. On God's calendar, the 7th day is the Sabbath, the English Saturday. Sunday is the 1st day of the week biblically. There is nothing to argue, this is fact...biblical fact.
     
  20. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    God's week is not trivial, especially the Sabbath which He instituted
     
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