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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by frogoon234, May 14, 2019.

  1. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Scripture also recognizes Sunday as the first day of the week. It is not arbitrary, it is the day God rested and in turn He made that day Holy so that all would rest.

    Matthew- Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
     
  2. Robin Mauro

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    I believe that before Christ's death and resurrection, Saturday was the Sabbath, which the Jews switched to begin Friday night and end Saturday night, but after Christ rose, it became Sunday.
    Here is my logic:
    Christ was 3 days in the grave. The New Testament says the Jews removed the dead bodies before the sabbath, so they removed and buried him in a tomb on Thursday, thus he was in the grave 3 nights, Thursday, Friday and Saturday and rose on Sunday.
    Episcopalians have a Maundy Thursday service which is somber, recognizing the death of our Lord. That's what got me thinking about it..
    But the New Testament also says that to one man one day is holy, and to another they are all the same (or something like that) so I don't think we are under the law abut it, but on the other hand, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it, and that not one part would be eliminated, so I also think we can tend to take the Sabbath too lightly.
     
  3. hedrick

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    Does anyone here know about the early Church tradition, in which Sunday was considered the 8th day?
     
  4. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Sunday never became the Sabbath. He died on Friday, rested in the tomb on the Sabbath and rose on Sunday. He rose on the 3rd day.
     
  5. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    This is likely a reference to the book of Daniel's "little horn",

    "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25)

    The text doesn't identify this "little horn" as the Antichrist, though that is how some interpret it. More than likely this is a reference to Antiochus IV Epiphanes, an evil king of the Seleucid Empire (one of the successor states to Alexander the Great's Empire). During the Syrian Wars the Jews were caught between the conflicts between Ptolemaic Egypt and Seleucid Syria, with Judea having mostly been under Ptolemaic control until the Seleucids took control of the region under Antiochus IV. Antiochus forced an oppressive system of forced Hellenization upon the Jews, and under these laws forbid the Jews from following their religion--he forbade circumcision, resting on the Sabbath, etc. The worst of the worst occurred when Antiochus had a pig sacrificed to Zeus in the Holy of Holies of the Jewish Temple. This "abomination which causes desolation" is what ultimately led to the Maccabean Revolt, which was eventually successful in overthrowing Seleucid rule and gaining independence for the Jews for a short time. Jewish independence lasted until the Roman conquests of the region under Julius Caesar's general Pompeii.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  6. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    Hanukkah :)
     
  7. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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  8. frogoon234

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  9. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Yes. What was being spoken about in Daniel are things which happened hundreds of years before Jesus.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  10. prodromos

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    I've posted about it a couple of times :)
     
  11. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    You are reading from one of the adulterated modern versions of the Bible. It leaves out the condition on verse 1.

    There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

    As for what in those verses says you won't sin, is only a true Christian is filled with the Spirit, and no longer walks in the flesh. The flesh cannot please God, and those that fulfill the lusts of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21. But verse 9 says a Christian is NOT IN THE FLESH BUT IN THE SPIRIT! It also says that those without the Spirit do not belong to God.

    That doesn't mean sometimes your in and sometimes our out. You must "endure to the end to be saved". In other words, you must continue to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
     
  12. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    Yes, not freedom TO sin.
     
  13. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    Yes. Read the Epistle of Barnabas, the 15th chapter. (Not the "Gospel" of Barnabas - that's Muslim.
     
  14. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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  15. frogoon234

    frogoon234 Active Member

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    I used the version this site. Typically i use a major version of the Bible. "The Bible is clear, Once Saved Always Saved"
     
  16. frogoon234

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    true, it is expedient to not to sin to avoid temporal punishment. Christians can be severely punished but they cannot suffer forever in hell. This is Biblical.
     
  17. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    Then is becomes a question when are you truly saved, instead of just "being" saved. Some scripture says when you endure to the end.
     
  18. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    You are listening to good news teachers who want to fill their pews.

    Matthew 7:
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
     
  19. frogoon234

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    it would appear that way. If you like see what some of the Calvinists say about his issue on the many NOSAS/OSAS threads. If you like for whatever reason send me a private message or email as is said in my profile.

    No wrong answer from this online forum user.
     
  20. 1stcenturylady

    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    Listen to a Calvinist???????? Now that's funny. I'd run from the church that Jesus said, "you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead." In other words, their message of no sin can separate you from God will lead many suckers to hell.
     
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