Intelligence Report: Islam Setting up U.S. - Warn Your Politicans!

[sebastian]

:'( love them don't persecute them! why are you so paranoid!?

 

[CCGirl]

:'( love them don't persecute them! why are you so paranoid!?

Because that is how the US govt has controlled its citizens for the last 150 years.....be afraid, we will protect you!

 

[sebastian]

it's really depressing. it's the two minute hate.

 

[Steezie]

it's really depressing. it's the two minute hate.

The US government has not exactly been trustworthy with dealing with it's own people.

They've done everything from spy on people to shoot them.

 

[SallyNow]

I'm not sure what is supposed to happen. Are Muslims who live in America supposed to automatically convert to Christianity? Are religious school supposed to be all shut down? (if Muslim schools are to be shut down, so to are Christian and Jewish schools)

If this is not a phobia, what is it? Hate? Racism? Discontent? Cultural difference? The article seems to defend the stance that Muslims should have their rights violated not for their own actions but because they are Muslim. How can anyone support this?

 

[imind]

The "peaceful" muslims arn't aware of what their quran says and/or arn't doing anything. Do you know any peaceful muslims stopping the radical ones? If so, I want a very detailed report on how they are stopping them with your list of resources. Presently, they having nothing to show for their efforts.

actually, its the radicals who don't know what their quran says. and i'm guessing that neither do you. have you ever read the quran?

you want a detailed report, huh? to you and the rest like you who read this alarmist nonsense (and nothing else) and come on here posting this tripe... do your own homework. you people seemingly encourage misinformation. you will not spend an ounce of effort in determining whether what you say is true or not.

we are called to be honest. willful ignorance is not honesty.

turks, pakistanis protest against, among other things, sharia law

n Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, an estimated 100,000 people took to the streets Sunday to protest plans by an influential mosque to run a "Taliban-style" anti-vice campaign in the capital city of Islamabad.

A day earlier, some 500,000 Turks staged a rally in Ankara urging Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a former Islamist and head of the moderate Muslim ruling party, not to run for president, traditionally a secular and nonpartisan post.

a study performed by the rand corp., as to why the extremists are getting the media attention...

"This asymmetry in resources and organization explains why radicals, a small minority in almost all Muslim countries, have influence disproportionate to their numbers," the authors stated.

Aside from a willingness to resort to violence to compel fellow Muslims to conform to their religious and political views, radicals enjoy two critical advantages over moderate and liberal Muslims. The first is money. Saudi funding for the export of the Wahhabi version of Islam over the last three decades has had the effect, whether intended or not, of promoting the growth of religious extremism throughout the Muslim world. The radicals’ second advantage is organization. Radical groups have developed extensive networks over the years, which are themselves embedded in a dense net of international relationships.


summary of report 18 pages)
full report (217 pages)

Muslim organization believes that lawsuit filed by CAIR on behalf of local Phoenix imams is wrong for American Muslims and wrong for America.

Liberal Values in Tunisian Islamic Schoolbooks

the middle east media research institute.
with links to stories from all over the world, this is the source for moderate muslim views.

Jordan's king urges moderates to unite

King Abdullah II of Jordan quoted from the Bible and the Koran in a brief speech to a lunchtime crowd of 2,000 mostly evangelical Christians yesterday, invoking "our Judeo-Christian-Islamic heritage" and urging moderates of the three great religions to unite.
"At this point in history, our service to God, our countries and our peoples demands that we confront extremism in its myriad forms," he told listeners at the annual National Prayer Breakfast luncheon at the Washington Hilton.
"To overcome this common foe, we must explore the values that unite us, rather than exaggerating the misunderstandings that divide us."

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Terrorist attacks, he said, are "an attack upon civilization," not a "clash of civilizations" between Christianity and Islam. Terrorist groups "do not preach the Islam of the Koran or of the prophet Muhammad. Theirs is a repugnant political ideology which violates the principles and statutes of traditional Islamic law."

As for the Muslim world being larger than the mid-east, ya I know. North Africa, Pakistan, Parts of India and Indonesia. Radical Muslims in each and every one of those regions. And not as fringe groups either, powerful enough that they create political instability in all those regions.

in many of these places, a strong wind is enough to create political instability.

And the Philippines,and can't forget the 6 former Soviet Republics that are now Indepent Islamic Nations,Azerbaijan,Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan!

oh really?

Azerbaijan is a secular country, in article 48 of its Constitution ensures the liberty of worship to everyone.

Kazakhstan has no official religion. while dominated mostly by muslims (47%), they are followed closely by russian orthodox (44%).

Kyrgyzstan, having an even larger muslim population (76%), it is most certainly secular. though politically unstable, its problems stem from corruption, not religion.

About 75% of the population are Muslim, mostly Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi school. Islam in Kyrgyzstan is more of a cultural background than a devout daily practice for most.

In October 2005 The Tajik Education Ministry banned female students from wearing Islamic headscarves in secular schools. Wearing the hijab, or head scarf traditionally worn by Muslim women, and other religious symbols "is unacceptable in secular schools and violates the constitution and a new law on education," Education Minister Abdudjabor Rakhmonov said. He expressed concern that pupils spent too much time in mosques at the expense of their education. "Many spend evenings in mosques and do not do their homework," Rakhmonov said, adding that during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan many did not attend classes after Friday prayers.

it should be clear to all who can and cannot be trusted to provide us with information. this is what happens when you only seek the viewpoint you want to hear.

Just what we need is a Muslim nation. Nope. What we need is a Christian nation and that is pretty much what we have.

not even close.

and how about this http://www.familysecuritymatters.org....php?id=801946 Plus there have been several threads around about the things going on in CA schools.

from that site...

In this riveting, damning exposé by FSM Contributing Editor M. Zuhdi Jasser, the mainstream media is identified as one of the most significant reasons why moderate Muslim voices are utterly silenced in America. You won’t want to take this outrage sitting down!

Uh-Huh! The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values (Paperback)
by Alan Sears (Author), Craig Osten (Author)

Write to the politicians
Call their offices
Do anything before it is too late.

run for the hills!!

below are some of the views of the muslims that are taking over our country...

Taking our religion back one Muslim at a time

We believe in the re-interpretation of Islam for the 21st century where terrorism is not justified under any circumstances.

We believe in the separation of religion and state.

We believe that democracy is the best form of government.

We believe in the promotion of secularism in all forms of political activity.

We believe that equality for women is an inalienable right.

We believe that religion is a personal relationship between the individual and his or her God and is not to be forced on anyone.

link

 

[salida]

imind--

Yes, sir I have read the quran. It has two interpretations to it. The latter passage is the correct interpretation - thus, its the most violent one. They call christians and jews pigs. I will give you details if you want and verses. Also, I have known various muslims and a coworker from Iran - I'm not at all in the dark about this.

 

[sebastian]

yes the quran has a lot of dodgy stuff in it, but it still doesn't justify calling everybody in power to stop muslims from legally setting up in your country, you live in a democracy, where people have freedom to choose. we are the aliens in the world not them.

 

[imind]

imind--

Yes, sir I have read the quran. It has two interpretations to it.

huh? please elaborate.

The latter passage is the correct interpretation - thus, its the most violent one.

it is violent because it is correct? what 'latter' passage do you speak of, and what makes you think it is the 'correct' one?

They call christians and jews pigs. I will give you details if you want and verses.

please do, and i eagerly await these.

...- I'm not at all in the dark about this.

we will see.

 

[Mickey1953]

I shared a post earlier in this thread....
I would like to share this:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/yab01.htm

It's time to save our Islamic faith

"How did Islam, which was driven by the pursuit of knowledge, become so submerged in frightful ignorance?"
By Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Muslim author and broadcaster​

I AM a British Asian, born and brought up in Uganda; a terribly flawed but practising Shia Muslim, with one son from a previous marriage and now married to an Englishman with an eight year-old mixed-race daughter.​

I don't wear hijab (my mother and grandmother never did, either) but I do fast, pray and give to charity, thus fulfilling my obligations to the basic pillars of Islam. I was brought up to respect all faiths and the human rights of individuals.​

In the merciless eyes of the faith police that we now have within Muslim communities, this set of beliefs makes me a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], an infidel, an enemy of "true" Muslims. So they write to me and to each other about how I should be punished, intimidated, even killed. Poison is thrown at my children. I have had to become seriously attentive to security measures, and other liberal Muslims have been similarly targeted.​

There are millions of Muslims around the world who are at ease with their faith and with people outside it. Since September 11, these moderate Muslims have woken up to the urgent need to reclaim their faith from fanatics. The inferno that has swept through the world has become a call to the peaceful faithful to come out and rescue Islam from the totalitarian theocracy which is in the process of crushing the progressive thought which Muslims used to take for granted.​

Few people know that, in Pakistan in the past six years, 2,000 Shia Muslims have been murdered by hardline Sunnis. Ninety of these were doctors killed for treating patients from both groups. Sufis were imprisoned and tortured by the Taliban and this persecution is getting worse around the world.​

The extremist religious ideology has been exported by, among others, the clerics of Saudi Arabia, who have the means to buy influence. This ruthless, expansionist Islam is killing all joy and tolerance, which must be why more Muslim children run away from home in this country than those of any other Asian group.​

Worse, it is destroying a central tenet of our faith: that each individual has a direct relationship with Allah, unmediated by any other human being - not even the self-employed mullahs who have proliferated all over the place.​

Many of us are now calling for a reformation within Islam. We want to address the massive failures of Islamic states to live up to human rights and democratic principles, including the unforgivable oppression of women and girls.​

Muslims have never been monolithic. The Koran itself has always been interpreted because there are so many levels of meaning and because Islam has reached so many different cultures and been absorbed by them.​

Throughout history, Koranic principles have been re-shaped and endlessly debated. Few young British women who wear hijab proudly would be prepared to be the "wifelet" of a polygamous man, and fewer still would support the stoning of women for adultery. Modernity has shifted their basic values too much. Then there is the question of education. How did Islam, which was driven by the pursuit of knowledge, become so submerged in frightful ignorance? From the eighth to the 15th centuries, thousands of hand-written books were produced. Islamic societies were eager to learn about the Greek, Indian and Chinese civilisations. They made paper, wrote poetry about God and passion between the sexes, built enormous public libraries, and established al-Azhar in Cairo, the world's first university. They had scientists, sociologists, matchless architects and mathematicians.​

Today, in our northern towns, parents are told by imams that books are evil and that too much education will make their children "Western". The reformation would have to confront this descent into the dark ages and rekindle respect for education.​

I hope enlightened Muslims will succeed in their aspirations. But, even as I write this, I feel a cold fear that the forces of darkness will not let this happen, and that they will find ways of silencing for ever all those who oppose them.​

Daily Telegraph (London), December 15, 2001
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I did not get permission yet to share this, though I did let them know I shared the whole article on this post....

Mickey
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[Mickey1953]

To the Chrisitians and non- Chrisitans on this thread:
I share this with the understanding I have of Jesus and the love He speaks of in His Word:


I shared in my first article on this thread, I have nephews that are Lebanese. My nephew married a beautiful woman that is 1/2 Lebanese .... Her sisters practice their Muslim faith.


I believe we are all diverse in some way. Jesus said His greatest commandment was to love one another... and I believe in salvation through Jesus. But, there is not anyway my Muslim family would even desire what was in my heart if I stood on man's 'justified' hatred. I trust Jesus means what He says: The greatest commandment is to love one another....
Mickey

 

[Mickey1953]

"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that they ...may...know the love of Christ..."
Ephesians 3:17-19

It is not what we have to do about Islam.....
My Muslim family and others will know of Christ best, through the scripture above....

Shared with respect and love
Mickey

 

[Blackness]

Muslims taking over the US? Who makes these claims? I really am not scared one bit by this magical pile of crap.

Until I am forced to memorize the Koran and pray towards Mecca in fear of death, I will just take all of these claims as nothing but paranoia.

And btw you think Islam is taking over the US? Look more, the conservative right wants the power!

 

[salida]

ILoveIsrael--

If you do your research and homework you will find the reality in the radical islamic mind.

To ignore this and call it nonsense is just what they want. Also, I work with an iranian and he knows what he is talking about along with the rest of the exmuslims from terrorist countries.

 

[neilius73]

Its called Wahabism; the goal is to take over the world and impose Islam on everyone. They will fail, like every other despot in history.
Its ok say to moderate muslims that they should stand up and root out the radical muslims; but how do they go about in doing this? You 'grass' someone up like that and your cause of death will be a severe lack of head.
On the other hand, i would rather DIE than submit to Islam.

 

[Blackness]

From what I understand there are also fundamentalists Christians out there who want their doctrine implanted into the US government. Islam?

 

[Yusuf Evans]

What the hell is the author of the Op ranting about, besides discrimination against those who are not Christians?

 

[sebastian]

To ignore this and call it nonsense is just what they want. Also, I work with an iranian and he knows what he is talking about along with the rest of the exmuslims from terrorist countries.

I can't beleive a christian can be so close minded and frankly, racist. in short your thoughts and actions are wrong, and people have proved this from the bible yet you ignore it. i think it's sad.

 

[OttovonBismarck]

I think it's time to accept the fact that racists and -phobes of all types will always exist no matter what we do. I propose we marginalize them. From now I think we, the ones who don't go on ignorant tirades against a religion we've never made any true effort to understand, boycott all topics of this nature. If they want to sit back and talk about how ebil teh mooslems are then, well, let's let them. We'll read their posts and say to ourselves "Oh, you guys. You're so silly. I wish I could close my brain like you peeps".

So, who's in?

 

[Blackness]

ILoveIsrael--

If you do your research and homework you will find the reality in the radical islamic mind.

To ignore this and call it nonsense is just what they want. Also, I work with an iranian and he knows what he is talking about along with the rest of the exmuslims from terrorist countries.

Do your research:

1. There are radical Muslims and non radical.

2. Not all Muslims are terrorists.