Intelligence Report: Islam Setting up U.S. - Warn Your Politicans!

[Nathan Poe]

Well, they actually do go into many other countries and attack and kill people, they just dont do it in the name of Christianity any more.

And, historically speaking, not too long ago. Just ask the Native Americans.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Because I frankly don't have the patience to sift through hundres of posts.

---Note: This isn't a "phobia". The correct term for the word phobia is when someone is radically afraid of something and it is diagnosed as a mental illness. This is called self defense folks!! When people use the term islam phobia or whatever phobia they mislabel it and obviously don't know what the word is defined as.

I do agree that "phobia" isn't the proper term here, but then again neither is "self-defense."

"Paranoia" seems to fit the bill quite nicely.

 

[CCGirl]

And, historically speaking, not too long ago. Just ask the Native Americans.

Do you remember this bit of history?

In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were "animals" in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight.

The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell."


The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72] -- American Holocaust, by D.Stannard

 

[Nathan Poe]

Do you remember this bit of history?

In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were "animals" in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight.

The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell."


The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72] -- American Holocaust, by D.Stannard

Disgraceful. Of course, my Spider-Sense tells me we're about to get an earful about how these "weren't real Christians". . .

 

[CCGirl]

Disgraceful. Of course, my Spider-Sense tells me we're about to get an earful about how these "weren't real Christians". . .

Gee, that would be very dishonest then, huh? I mean, we are talking about the Pope!

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Gee, that would be very dishonest then, huh? I mean, we are talking about the Pope!

This was before the United States existed. Go bash Spain and Italy.

And this thread is not about the 19th, 18th or prior centuries. It's about what Islam and Muslims are doing TODAY. If you want to bash Christians, go start your own thread.

But by your logic, the Spanish get a pass anyway. Your position is that we can't hold Muslims and Islam accountable for their atrocities because some soi-disant Christians centuries ago did the same thing. Well, since the Romans did all sorts of nasty things like wipe out entire villages in retaliation for the killing of a Roman soldier, crucifixion, and so on, you have no right to dis the Spaniards for what they did in the New World.

By the Muslim apologists' logic, no one can be condemned for any crime that previous societies and faiths committed. So the Muslims get a pass. The Nazis get a pass. The Spaniards and old Catholic Church get a pass. And both Christians and Muslims get a pass for the Crusades.

No one can be blamed or held accountable for anything. Ain't PC logic swell! Let all the rapists in prison go free--we never caught Jack the Ripper after all...

 

[imind]

Matt---

Real christians don't go out slaughtering people because they won't convert like the radical muslims do.

they most certainly do...

christian aggression

What is "professed" doesn't mean anything. If they don't act like a christian - they arn't. A duck isn't a horse.

exactly, and those who force islam on others are not true followers of islam, as forced conversion is un-islamic.

 

[soblessed53]

Originally Posted by imind

exactly, and those who force islam on others are not true followers of islam, as forced conversion is un-islamic.

According to The Qur'an (Oxford World's Classics) by M. A. S. Abdel Haleem and
What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text, and Commentary by Ibn Warraq

forced conversion is not un-islamic at all,but is in fact commanded!

 

[ClaireZ]

Humans regardless of their religion or lack thereof commit crimes against other humans. Always have, most likely always will.

 

[Blackness]

Originally Posted by imind

According to The Qur'an (Oxford World's Classics) by M. A. S. Abdel Haleem and
What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text, and Commentary by Ibn Warraq

forced conversion is not un-islamic at all,but is in fact commanded!

http://www.islamdenouncesterrorism.com/people_of_the_book_the_muslims.html

 

[Steezie]

Originally Posted by imind

According to The Qur'an (Oxford World's Classics) by M. A. S. Abdel Haleem and
What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text, and Commentary by Ibn Warraq

forced conversion is not un-islamic at all,but is in fact commanded!

You mean like the bible commands the condemnation and killing of non-believers?

 

[Matt Never Existed]

You'll note that in recent years, all of these 'forced-conversions' to Islam are all done by the radicals in that religion. We're talking about the nut-cases who strap bombs to themselves.

They use religion as a shield to hide behind. Just like Christians are doing with issues here in America. Stem-cell Research? Same-sex Marriage? These are issues that "Christians" are strapping the bombs to their chests over, like these things are a personal threat to them. As if this country has some kind of "Forced-Christianity" law.

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Don't get me wrong. You are more than welcome to believe these things to be truth. But when you try to force these self-proclaimed 'truths' upon the whole country, making people live according to a religion's belief that they don't follow, then we have a problem.

That kind of sounds like forced conversion as well.. Huh.. Go figure.

 

[imind]

Originally Posted by imind

According to The Qur'an (Oxford World's Classics) by M. A. S. Abdel Haleem and
What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text, and Commentary by Ibn Warraq

forced conversion is not un-islamic at all,but is in fact commanded!

here we go again...

Islam and religious freedom - Ibrahim Hooper

Islam advocates both freedom of religion and freedom of conscience. That position is supported by the Quran, Islam's revealed text, the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad and the opinions of Islamic scholars both past and present.

Islam came to liberate mankind from all types of enslavement, whether political, social or religious. One of the first leaders of the Muslim community, Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, once told the governor of Egypt: ‘How dare you enslave people when they were born free?’ In the Quran, God states ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion.’ (2:256) This verse is the foundation for religious freedom in Islam. God also states that He does not compel belief, and warns all of us against the temptation to force faith on others: ‘If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the world should be believers, all the people of the earth would have believed! Would you then compel mankind against their will to believe?’ (10:99)

God tells the Prophet Muhammad that the message he is bringing to the people is the truth, but his duty is only to convey that message, not to force compliance: ‘If they turn away from thee (O Muhammad) they should know that We have not sent you to be their keeper. Your only duty is to convey My message.’ (42:48)

Neither the Prophet Muhammad nor any of his companions, the models for future Islamic behavior, ever forced anyone to embrace Islam. The Prophet did not treat apostasy as an offense to be punished in this life. He pardoned a number of people who embraced Islam, then left the faith, and then embraced it again. Islam has no need to compel belief in its divine truth. As the Quran states: ‘Truth stands out clear from error. Therefore, whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks.’ (2:256)

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) recently called on the government of Afghanistan to release Abdul Rahman, a man facing the death penalty for converting from Islam to Christianity. CAIR said Rahman's conversion was a personal matter that should not be subject to the intervention of the state. This conclusion was reached after consultation with Islamic scholars of the Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) Council of North America.

Islamic scholars say the original rulings on apostasy were similar to those for treasonous acts in legal systems worldwide and do not apply to an individual's choice of religion.

Muslims have always believed that faith is meaningless if forced and that a forced conversion is a sin. In his Freedom of Expression in Islam Mohammad Hashim Kamali notes that the Quran ‘has explicitly declared freedom of religion a norm and principle of Islam’ (see publications). He also notes that Islamic scholars support that conclusion by stating that no one may be compelled to embrace Islam, that Islam validates the freedom of the individual to propagate his or her faith through sound reasoning and argumentation and that true faith results from personal conviction, not from mere imitation

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