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Because Catholic utilize free will to Disobey God and choose to do bad and stain our souls.
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If our flesh and spirit are both made good at regeneration (and Jesus says no one is good but God alone) why would Catholics need Purgatory?
God doesn't need our good works, but our neighbor does. It's how God provides daily bread for everyone.
God sanctifies us not for our own sake, but for the sake of our neighbor. Common grace.
For the redeemed, only the good works done by God through us have any merit, but even that merit is not considered in our justification. The only perfect, meritorious works ever done that are effective for our justification were done by Jesus Christ.
If our flesh and spirit are both made good at regeneration (and Jesus says no one is good but God alone) why would Catholics need Purgatory?
Again, do you sin? If not the bible has a word for that, if so thyen how can your flesh be sanctified? I am sure that God does not regard sin as righteousActually there are good people by Gods grace:
"News of this came to the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas to Antioch.
[23] When he came and saw the grace of God, he was glad; and he exhorted them all to remain faithful to the Lord with steadfast purpose;
[24] for he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith(Acts 11:22-24)
Sounds like he is made good and regenerate to me.
Is this accurate:
Infused Righteousness - Christ's work transforms the child of God, making him/her righteous in actuality.
Imputed Righteousness - Christ's work does not transform the child of God. God only saves anyone because He "sees Jesus" instead of a filthy sinner.
why does continuation of sin prove the point? been pondering that for a couple pages...
I think that the more you're around God... i.e. the more in relationship (active relationship... not just works) the more you're gonna act like Him. Same as if I'm around someone more I'm going to pick up their habits. It's human nature to act like those you're involved with. You're involved with God you're like God... not hard. Will you be just like God. No. Never here. Cause you're not God. This is my understanding of "sanctification". But please don't confuse it with the works cause the behavior to stick... no no... the relationship causes the behavior.Because it was brought up when I claimed a seperation of flesh soul and spirit that they believed that all are sanctified and not apart. I know that God is a triune being as we are because we are made in His image and also because all through the New Testament it talks about the flesh, it talks of the soul and it talks of the spirit and shows that they are all different. Now if it is the same as was claimed then I submit that there is a problemm with anything being sanctified that still sins. Paul in Romans makes it very clear that there is a war going on in all of us and that war is between spirit and flesh. Tio be a victorious Christian the flesh must be crucied and allow Christ to be Lord and Saviour
Again, do you sin? If not the bible has a word for that, if so thyen how can your flesh be sanctified? I am sure that God does not regard sin as righteous
Yes, I can agree with this.I think that the more you're around God... i.e. the more in relationship (active relationship... not just works) the more you're gonna act like Him. Same as if I'm around someone more I'm going to pick up their habits. It's human nature to act like those you're involved with. You're involved with God you're like God... not hard. Will you be just like God. No. Never here. Cause you're not God. This is my understanding of "sanctification". But please don't confuse it with the works cause the behavior to stick... no no... the relationship causes the behavior.
Well, to be honest, I highly doubt that we're going to come to any kind of substantive agreement here since those vastly more qualified than you or I have been unable to do so while remaining true to their own confessions or without playing games with their definitions of terms.
Probably the best we are going to do here is to hone each other's apologetics skills and agree to disagree - but surely we can have some fun along the way.
Free will I agree with, I also understand sinning and being restored because of repentance and being washed in the blood but there is also an area where we continue with the same sin and are making no effort to get better and that ios presumptive sin and for that there is no forgiveness until you stop doing it. I think we are closer to agreement than not but sometimes the terms can get in the way.You can have sanctified flesh and commit sin through free will. Adam and Eve is a great example of that as before they fell by choice they were sinless.
When you do sin then you loose that sanctification and need to have it restored by Gods grace in confession. But you can be sanctified and still commit sin we see it in the bible all the time. St. Paul Tells his congregation he prays for them to be wholly sanctified and yet they committed sins. St. Paul in 1 Cor 6:9-11 says that they have been sanctified and yet they commit sins. Its called free will.
Of course it is sin. That is why it is so important to be of the world but not in it. We must keep our spiritual eyes and ears open to hear and see what Jesus would have us to, that is the Rhema word of God coming down fresh to all who will but listen to hear it and not be blind to the spirit.(were they sinless? they were disobedient... wouldn't being disobedient to the Lord of all creation be considered sin? lol)
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