Infant Baptism

[JacksBratt]

[Act 2:40 NLT] 40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation!"

Yep.... save who????

SAVE YOURSELVES...that's the only soul you are able to help... I can do nothing to save my daughter, son, mother, father, great aunt, neighbor..... nobody.

 

[JacksBratt]

With Jesus being God, knowing ALL things, do you believe that Jesus was tortured and murdered so that Judas Iscariot, whom He called a Devil, would have a chance to turn his heart towards Christ? Even if it meant that prophesy would be negated and proven false? It's a great question to think about.

Absolutely.... If Judas had of took some time to clear his head and stop.... it would have been totally possible for him to repent and be saved.... Just like Peter.. who denied three times.... and Saul who tortured Christians.. renamed Paul and wrote some of the bible.

 

[PanDeVida]

Hi Family,

Can you please explain to me the logic and reasoning behind infant baptism?

~Natsumi Lam~

If you or any Christian here if you were to have a baby today but the baby was born very sick and the doctor told you that your baby will not make through the night. Being a Christian will you or won't you baptize your Baby?

Mark 1: 5And there went out to him all the country of Judea and all they of Jerusalem and were baptized by him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Many people may say how can a newborn baby confess their sins. A newborn baby need not confess their sins because they Do Not Have Actual Sins to confess, they Just need the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve washed away by Baptism and that they may be Christians henceforth.

Also Note: ...all the country of Judea and all they of Jerusalem and were baptized... Hmm, All the country of Judea and Jerusalem were baptized, ALL MEANS ALL, I'm sure the parents did not leave their tiny newborn or toddler alone by themselves at home, while they themselves traveled to be baptized to become Christians and say: Sorry, to their newborn, their toddler, you stay home alone, first you need to commit actual sins in order for you to get baptized and become Christians. lol

Immediately after birth and before death one can be baptized!!! Amen

Food for thought/LOGIC: if someone was born blind deaf and mute with no capacity to ever learn how to communicate, who would lead them to the baptismal font for all should be baptized. Would you say that their Christian parents should lead them to the baptismal font and will they truly be baptized? The Answer is YES, THEY WILL BE TRULY BAPTIZED, SO IT IS THE SAME FOR A BABY/TODDLER AS WELL. Amen

Pan De Vida

 

[JacksBratt]

Who is saying that you CAN save someone else?



And is there someone who has been denying THIS--



?

Yes, people here are suggesting that you can save a baby by sprinkling it with water..
Others suggest that you can save others.

Yes... a baby that has been baptized may grow up and totally reject Christ.

 

[JacksBratt]

How do you feel about Jewish parents forcing circumcision upon their children? What about parents forcing medicine onto their children?

Would you describe these things as "forcing" something onto a child?

-CryptoLutheran

In the day... circumcision was God's law for His people.

Nothing like infant baptism.

 

[JacksBratt]

If you or any Christian here if you were to have a baby today but the baby was born very sick and the doctor told you that your baby will not make through the night. Being a Christian will you or won't you baptize your Baby?

Would not....

 

[Albion]

Well, then... should we not be baptizing them at the hospital before they venture out of the walls of safety.

They normally are baptized within days. That's usually done in church with the proper facilities, family members, sponsors, clergy, a congregation, and more. But emergencies do cause some baptisms to occur in the hospital.

 

[Albion]

Yes, people here are suggesting that you can save a baby by sprinkling it with water..

On the contrary, there have been a few people commenting who have heard someone else say that. Whether or not that's what they actually heard is another matter. And there are some who have asked IF that is the belief of some church or other. To all of that uncertainty and misinformation, the real facts of the matter have been offered in response.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

On the contrary, there have been a few people commenting who have heard someone else say that. Whether or not that's what they actually heard is another matter. And there are some who have asked IF that is the belief of some church or other. To all of that uncertainty and misinformation, the real facts of the matter have been offered in response.

i was only referring to people in the thread have said. Not people outside of the thread. Though I know people who have said it.

 

[PanDeVida]

Would not....

JacksBratt, you stated: "Would Not" Jack you mean to tell me that you will be a Brat, lol and not baptize your baby even if your Doctor told you that your baby will not live throughout the night?

Parents, like these, will be committing without knowing the greatest form of Child abuse for the simple reason of not letting their baby die as a Christian.

Baptism is the first step into Christianity and you would deny your own baby this Grace.

Pan De Vida

 

[Albion]

i was only referring to people in the thread have said. Not people outside of the thread. Though I know people who have said it.

Very well, but all of that should have been settled by now. There's no reason for a different member to step in to repost the same thing an start us around that circle once more.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

JacksBratt, you stated: "Would Not" Jack you mean to tell me that you will be a Brat, lol and not baptize your baby even if your Doctor told you that your baby will not live throughout the night?

Parents, like these, will be committing without knowing the greatest form of Child abuse for the simple reason of not letting their baby die as a Christian.

Baptism is the first step into Christianity and you would deny your own baby this Grace.

Pan De Vida

God gives grace through His son. He has a different opinion that baptism does not give salvation. Only Jesus does.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Very well, but all of that should have been settled by now. There's no reason for a different member to step in to repost the same thing once again.

Again..most posts are repeats in forums. Why are you suprised enough to comment?

It has not been suttled.

 

[PanDeVida]

Yes, people here are suggesting that you can save a baby by sprinkling it with water..
Others suggest that you can save others.

Yes... a baby that has been baptized may grow up and totally reject Christ.

JacksBratt, in other words, you are using the line of Cain: "Am I, my brothers, keeper".

Jack, Yes we are our brother's keeper, we do the best by prayer and fasting, and as you stated: by sprinkling it/baby with water.

Jack, you, having the same line/shoes as Cain: "Am I, my brothers, keeper", does not look to good for you, in the long run, you better get a new pair of those blue suede shoes and sing a whole new tune "we are our brother's keeper".

Pan De Vida

 

[Albion]

Since you ask...I'm saying this only because the actual belief of the traditional churches, specifically the Roman Catholic Church, has already been explained.

If anyone still does not understand what it is by now, he can ask concerning what aspect of it is unclear.

However, simply to post the same old erroneous hearsay or faulty reasoning after all that has been said accomplishes nothing.

 

[PanDeVida]

God gives grace through His son. He has a different opinion that baptism does not give salvation. Only Jesus does.

Natsumi, YES ONLY JESUS CHRIST GIVES SALVATION! but there are steps that we must adhere to and Baptism is the first step in salvation.

Even Jesus was baptized, so follow His first step regarding salvation that only Jesus Christ can give. FYI Jesus Christ did not preach prior to Him being Baptized only after being baptized. Amen

Pan De Vida

 

[PaulCyp1]

The one Church Jesus Christ founded has baptized babies for 2,000 years. Not baptizing them is a modern tradition of men only a few hundred years old, and is found only in unauthorized manmade denominational churches which have rejected many of the teachings and practices of original and complete Christianity.

In the Bible, there are repeated instances where "whole families" were baptized together. Since this was the common practice of the early Church, it goes without saying that many of these families included small children and babies. Also, Jesus taught that one cannot enter the kingdom without being reborn through water and the spirit, an obvious reference to baptism. Yet, when looking upon a group of small children and babes in arms, He said "to such as these belongs the kingdom of God". Therefore, unless He contradicted Himself, these children had been baptized - which one would expect since this was the common practice of the Christian Church from the beginning. The baptism of babies is well described in the writings of 2nd Century Fathers of the Church, who describe it as a tradition passed down from the apostles.

 

[Halbhh]

If you or any Christian here if you were to have a baby today but the baby was born very sick and the doctor told you that your baby will not make through the night. Being a Christian will you or won't you baptize your Baby?

Mark 1: 5And there went out to him all the country of Judea and all they of Jerusalem and were baptized by him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Many people may say how can a newborn baby confess their sins. A newborn baby need not confess their sins because they Do Not Have Actual Sins to confess, they Just need the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve washed away by Baptism and that they may be Christians henceforth.

Also Note: ...all the country of Judea and all they of Jerusalem and were baptized... Hmm, All the country of Judea and Jerusalem were baptized, ALL MEANS ALL, I'm sure the parents did not leave their tiny newborn or toddler alone by themselves at home, while they themselves traveled to be baptized to become Christians and say: Sorry, to their newborn, their toddler, you stay home alone, first you need to commit actual sins in order for you to get baptized and become Christians. lol

Immediately after birth and before death one can be baptized!!! Amen

Food for thought/LOGIC: if someone was born blind deaf and mute with no capacity to ever learn how to communicate, who would lead them to the baptismal font for all should be baptized. Would you say that their Christian parents should lead them to the baptismal font and will they truly be baptized? The Answer is YES, THEY WILL BE TRULY BAPTIZED, SO IT IS THE SAME FOR A BABY/TODDLER AS WELL. Amen

Pan De Vida

If the family on the way to church to baptize their baby or child died in an auto accident, I think we can feel confident God in His Mercy and Grace would still do as David expected.

 

[Halbhh]

The one Church Jesus Christ founded has baptized babies for 2,000 years. Not baptizing them is a modern tradition of men only a few hundred years old, and is found only in unauthorized manmade denominational churches which have rejected many of the teachings and practices of original and complete Christianity.

In the Bible, there are repeated instances where "whole families" were baptized together. Since this was the common practice of the early Church, it goes without saying that many of these families included small children and babies. Also, Jesus taught that one cannot enter the kingdom without being reborn through water and the spirit, an obvious reference to baptism. Yet, when looking upon a group of small children and babes in arms, He said "to such as these belongs the kingdom of God". Therefore, unless He contradicted Himself, these children had been baptized - which one would expect since this was the common practice of the Christian Church from the beginning. The baptism of babies is well described in the writings of 2nd Century Fathers of the Church, who describe it as a tradition passed down from the apostles.

Actually that very moment, before Christian baptism began, says a key thing that helps us understand better the disposition of children that die without having been baptized.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Since you ask...I'm saying this only because the actual belief of the traditional churches, specifically the Roman Catholic Church, has already been explained.

If anyone still does not understand what it is by now, he can ask concerning what aspect of it is unclear.

However, simply to post the same old erroneous hearsay or faulty reasoning after all that has been said accomplishes nothing.

Im still searching for a bible verse that says

- a parent's will to forcibly baptise their infant saves the infant

Meaning another person's will can save a person