Infant Baptism

[Albion]

Im still searching for a bible verse that says

- a parent's will to forcibly baptise their infant saves the infant

Meaning another person's will can save a person

Why would you be searching for such a thing?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Natsumi, YES ONLY JESUS CHRIST GIVES SALVATION! but there are steps that we must adhere to and Baptism is the first step in salvation.

Even Jesus was baptized, so follow His first step regarding salvation that only Jesus Christ can give. FYI Jesus Christ did not preach prior to Him being Baptized only after being baptized. Amen

Pan De Vida

But the issue is that people in this thread believe baptism itselve is salvation for the person even though the bible states salvation comes by heart and mouth unto Jesus.

 

[Albion]

But the issue is that people in this thread believe baptism itselve is salvation for the person...

No, they dont.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Why would you be searching for such a thing?

Because people in this thread try to justify that baptism is salvation. I need beblical proof that one's will ie parent can choose salvation for another ie infant.

I need a verse to consider a valid change in belief.

If a tradition is extrabiblical..i need to know.

 

[Albion]

Because people in this thread try to justify that baptism is salvation. .

No, they dont.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No, they dont.

I have seen multiple people in this thread say ...baptism means your saved..... rather put the infant is saved because of being baptised. Please read through the posts.

 

[Albion]

I have seen multiple people in this thread say ...baptism means your saved.

Not so. But if you list the ones who did it, that would settle this disagreement. Just identify the posts in which what you say here appears. I will then show you how it was misunderstood. I have to say also that I am not putting this totally on you; I have already looked by myself and do not find what you are telling me has been posted.

EVEN THEN, however, it is a mistake no matter who says it! That is NOT the view of the matter held by the churches that baptize the young.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

So, I could go around and save all the humans as they are born... without them consenting to it?

Not quite sure what you're on about there Jacksy.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No, they dont.

Baptism saves #58

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Yes, people here are suggesting that you can save a baby by sprinkling it with water..
Others suggest that you can save others.

Yes... a baby that has been baptized may grow up and totally reject Christ.

It is not just sprinkling it with water that saves. Water is water. Sprinkling with water will just make someone wet. What saves is God's Word mingled with the water. It is God's Word that is powerful to save.

 

[Albion]

So, I could go around and save all the humans as they are born... without them consenting to it?

I've encountered this line of thought before, but it only makes sense if the speaker/questioner thinks that being baptized is a free pass to heaven...which no church teaches.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

It is not just sprinkling it with water that saves. Water is water. Sprinkling with water will just make someone wet. What saves is God's Word mingled with the water. It is God's Word that is powerful to save.

So again it is the parents will that forces salvation on the child if baptism of the infant saves.

Does baptism save?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

So again it is the parents will that forces salvation on the child if baptism of the infant saves.

Does baptism save?

Yes, baptism saves.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

I've encountered this line of thought before, but it only makes sense if the speaker/questioner thinks that being baptized is a free pass to heaven...which no church teaches.

Do you know all churches.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

No, they dont.

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[Albion]

Baptism saves #58

Heres the statement:

Baptism saves but baptism does not force anyone to remain a Christian and experience teaches that many who are baptised may turn away from Christianity and embrace atheism, agnosticism, some other religion or some variety of Christianity that is widely considered aberrant.

He is saying that baptism isn't any guarantee of salvation. There is no other way to interpret the words in red.

Yes, baptism saves.

There is not enough there to know what the poster means.
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[Albion]

Do you know all churches.

Name one for us that teaches that if you are baptized as a child you can do anything and believe anything thereafter and you will be saved for certain, solely because you once received the sacrament of Baptism. No, I cannot think of one either.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Heres the statement:


He is saying that baptism isn't any guarantee of salvation. There is no other way to interpret the words in red.

There is not enough there to know what the poster means.
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He is already claiming the baby is a christian through baptism and flat out says baptism saves . Christian is a Christ follower. Can an infant follow Christ?

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Ask him...you asked for those phrases. I provided exact phrases. You already had an excuse ready.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Name one for us that teaches that if you are baptized as a child you can do anything and believe anything thereafter and you will be saved for certain, solely because you once received the sacrament of Baptism. No, I cannot think of one either.

Do you know all denom and sects? Just because you cant think of one doesnt mean it doesnt exist. There is nothing new under the sun in these cases.

 

[GingerBeer]

Scripture says that baptism saves. You can verify that by reading Peter's letters. "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," (I Peter 3:21)

Scripture says that people can reject the gospel after baptism. "For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned. " (Hebrews 6:4-8)

Scripture says that baptism regenerates. "he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:5-7)