Infant Baptism

JacksBratt · Apr 24, 2019

Albion said:
Yes, but that doesn't mean it is a great idea to go out of one's way to avoid baptism.

(By the way, most people who are baptized are neither dunked nor sprinkled. I get that it's fun to use those words, but they are not representative of what happens.)

I don't believe that people "go out of their way" to avoid it..

I think that they either don't believe in God at all... or don't believe that infant baptism is scriptural.

I have been a Christian since I was seven... None of my family were baptized until they were in their teens... Then... we had to take a short course (three weeknights) at our church, in order to ensure that all being baptized were educated in what "believer Baptism" means.

AND.. so the church was sure that this was not just some event for someone to go through the motions or not understand the theology behind it.

None of my kids were baptized as infants. We dedicated them to God... but.... we were fully aware that after we raised them in a Christian home with Christian values... they may not choose to follow the ways of Christ..

That... is free will of a human of competent mind.

Oh, and yes... Baptism is "immersion baptism". The individual is fully submerged to represent Christs body in the earth. It is then raised up out of the water... a new creature... Representing our own death from sin and resurrection to being a righteous child of God.

JacksBratt · Apr 24, 2019

Albion said:
I do not recall anyone saying that.

I do recall posts which, however, said that this absolutely is NOT the case.

Not sure who or what post this is in reference to.

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

Ttalkkugjil said:
Baptism is done by God via washing and God's Word.

Yes true however that's not the topic the topic is sprinkling water on infants

Or else he'll... what?

Auto correct. Did that *hell

I have already shared a number of times at CF my belief that while baptism is necessary, it is not absolutely necessary

There is only one truth that is what we should seek to be of one mind
.

Natsumi Lam · Apr 24, 2019

GingerBeer said:
They mean what they say in context.

Context is more than an isolated verse.

This is give and take conversation. You arent even attempting.

Albion · Apr 24, 2019

JacksBratt said:
I don't believe that people "go out of their way" to avoid it..

But that seems to be the urging given in posts written by people who are opposed to infant baptism.

Logically speaking, Christian people who think baptism doesn't accomplish anything and that it is just a gesture...ought to be saying to the others, "Go ahead and baptize your infant children if you insist; it doesn't do anything for them, you know!"

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

Albion said:
Yes. Water is used in baptisms.

That's what you got out of it.....scary
Re
Read what did Phillip say to Ethiopian when Ethiopian asked what stops him from being baptized

Monk Brendan · Apr 24, 2019

Gregory95 said:
You are pointing to the Jews crossing sea (which is foreshadow baptism) as proof og infant baptism.....

Sir really ?

Because first off sprinkling water is not baptism as you see in NT when baptism happens it is full submergion

So regardless its not baptizing the infant as you would have to dunk them (unsafe)

It is not unsafe to baptize an infant by triple immersion.

We do it all the time.

This applies to ALL the Eastern Churches.

Where did you get the idea we baptized by pouring?

BTW, NOBODY in the Latin Church baptizes by sprinkling.

Natsumi Lam · Apr 24, 2019

Gregory95 said:
Yes denominations are a issue as they divide the true Church

ive yet to see a denomination including "non denominational" that spoke the whole truth

Why

Denominations were founded by mens ideas not what Christ appointed

For if they truly followed truth they would be mere Christian as they follow CHRIST not a mans take on the Bible

New Testament says do not divide Christ

As Paul pointed out it is wrong for people to say i am of Paul as NO you are to be of CHRIST

Were all the Traditions Christ appointed or were some man made for the "true church"?

Albion · Apr 24, 2019

JacksBratt said:
Not sure who or what post this is in reference to.

It was a reply to the post immediately preceding it--post #359.

Monk Brendan · Apr 24, 2019

timothyu said:
Is that the same as saying no baptism, then no Eucharist? Did not God give freely? Does it not also say in that chapter that some were weeded out later, not before?

Yes. No baptism, no Eucharist.

Albion · Apr 24, 2019

Gregory95 said:
That's what you got out of it.....scary
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Read what did Phillip say to Ethiopian when Ethiopian asked what stops him from being baptized

He said there was water there so a baptism would be possible.

If you are trying to suggest some interior meaning, get to it

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

So even those who agree disagree on how its done (Catholics sprinkle)

What do you take from acts 8:36-37

Monk Brendan said:
It is not unsafe to baptize an infant by triple immersion.

We do it all the time.

This applies to ALL the Eastern Churches.

Where did you get the idea we baptized by pouring?

BTW, NOBODY in the Latin Church baptizes by sprinkling.

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 24, 2019

JacksBratt said:
You're serious?

So, an infant, that does not get baptized and does not have a person to read the bible to them, will go to hell if they die?

What I do feel it's logical to believe is that anyone who has no encounter with God's means of grace will not be saved by God through God's means of grace.

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

Natsumi Lam said:
Were all the Traditions Christ appointed or were some man made for the "true church"?

Why do people care so much about traditions

i know orthodox say they were told to hold to traditions however i see nopoint for what fruit do you produce by spending money on special garments and such what fruit do you produce when you dress contrary to(modest) normal

Do you think doing special rituals brings people to Christ or turns them off as they see people doing odd things not found in the Bible

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

Albion said:
He said there was water there so a baptism would be possible.

If you are trying to suggest some interior meaning, get to it

Don't understand how you did t see this

What hinders me from being baptized?”

37 [a]Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”

Monk Brendan · Apr 24, 2019

Gregory95 said:
So even those who agree disagree on how its done (Catholics sprinkle)

What do you take from acts 8:36-37

Wrong. Latin Catholics usually POUR, not sprinkle. (And not all Catholics are Latins. I'm an example.)

But they may immerse.

Acts 8 is just like we baptize: triple immersion.

Monk Brendan · Apr 24, 2019

Gregory95 said:
Why do people care so much about traditions

i know orthodox say they were told to hold to traditions however i see nopoint for what fruit do you produce by spending money on special garments and such what fruit do you produce when you dress contrary to(modest) normal

Do you think doing special rituals brings people to Christ or turns them off as they see people doing odd things not found in the Bible

Odd things not in the Bible?

You mean like revivals, altar calls, and invitation hymns?

I'll bet the vestments our clergy wear during services, and especially my monastic cassock, look more like what Christ and the apostles wore than what people wear to YOUR church.

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

What hinders me from being baptized?”

37 [a]Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

So that's why I've seen Catholics sprinkle?

Monk Brendan said:
Odd things not in the Bible?

You mean like revivals, altar calls, and invitation hymns?

I'll bet the vestments our clergy wear during services, and especially my monastic cassock, look more like what Christ and the apostles wore than what people wear to YOUR church.

Monk Brendan said:
Wrong. Latin Catholics usually POUR, not sprinkle. (And not all Catholics are Latins. I'm an example.)

But they may immerse.

Acts 8 is just like we baptize: triple immersion.

Gregory95 · Apr 24, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Odd things not in the Bible?

You mean like revivals, altar calls, and invitation hymns?

I'll bet the vestments our clergy wear during services, and especially my monastic cassock, look more like what Christ and the apostles wore than what people wear to YOUR church.

You completely avoided the issue

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