Infant baptism

[YeshuaFan]

It only works with adults. Babies of Christians can be baptized.

Can be, but no scripture supports that, and no real need to be doing that!

 

[Resha Caner]

No but baptism is a way to show that someone has accepted Christ...

Where does the Bible say that?

... not to save them

1 Peter 3:21

 

[Adventist Heretic]

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I am not defending Infant baptism. There is a difference between defending and explaining some thing. I see the logic in it,biblically, but I have no desire to defend it or take it away. each person must make that decision in his own mind. Scripture is very clear that Christ has become our circumcision. Circumcision was done on children not adults. It was the entrence requirement for the O.T. covenant. Now the entrance requirement for the N.T. Covenant is baptism it stand to reason that the enterence requirement to be in Christ is baptism that that baptism is available at the age of circumcision and a replacement for it. Christ has become our circumcision. to say that it's foundations is unbiblcal is foolish.

 

[Not David]

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Like I mentioned, baptism is the New Covenant and the new circumcision that is giving for "you and your children".

 

[Not David]

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Those Early Fathers were martyred for their belief in Christ, they defended Christianity against pagans. Such disrespectful attitudes coming from the irrational fear of History.

 

[Resha Caner]

The doctrine of infant baptism is no biblical doctrine at all..
I Can judge that. It does not exist in .
scripture.

Nor does the Bible specify that left-handed people born in Iowa should be baptized, so I guess my baptism was a mistake.

For no faith is exercised by the infant ...

You can prove that?

 

[Alithis]

Nor does the Bible specify that left-handed people born in Iowa should be baptized, so I guess my baptism was a mistake.



You can prove that?

Yes lol ... The word repent means to change ones mind . obedience is an action of faith taken based upon what one believes.
No infant in arms can do either.

 

[Albion]

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Many of the churches that the opponents of baptizing young children belong to will baptize a precocious 8 or 9 year old, justifying it on the basis that they have memorized something that amounts to "Jesus loves me," considering that to be the equivalent of a profession of faith, an acceptance of Christ as ones Lord and Savior, etc. Their level of comprehension when it comes to the meaning of sin, eternity, the Incarnation, the triune nature of God, redemption, contrition, is nowhere near adequate, nowhere the level of a teenager or adult, but they'll call it a "Believer's baptism" just the same.

 

[Resha Caner]

An even better example IMHO would be this--

Many of the churches that the opponents of baptizing young children belong to will baptize a precocious 8 or 9 year old, justifying it on the basis that they have memorized something that amounts to "Jesus loves me," considering that to be the equivalent of a profession of faith, an acceptance of Christ as ones Lord and Savior, etc. Their level of comprehension when it comes to the meaning of sin, eternity, the Incarnation, the triune nature of God, redemption, contrition, is nowhere near adequate, nowhere the level of a teenager or adult, but they'll call it a "Believer's baptism" just the same.

I wasn't aware of that baptismal practice. I have, however, had some discussions about the scripts they use, i.e. your reference to prompting the 8-yr-old to say "Jesus loves me".

The practice I find interesting is christening babies. Baptism in all but name only.

 

[Albion]

I wasn't aware of that baptismal practice. I have, however, had some discussions about the scripts they use, i.e. your reference to prompting the 8-yr-old to say "Jesus loves me".

The practice I find interesting is christening babies. Baptism in all but name only.

I think you mean "dedications." But yes, I sympathize with your thinking on that score. These services or rituals in church look for all the world like baptisms of children conducted for parents who belong to churches that don't believe in baptizing children. (?)

 

[Resha Caner]

A left hand is joined to a man who can think reason consider repent and as an act of his own faith get baptised.

A conclusion you have made without the support of the Bible.

A baby ..cannot do so.

Luke 1:39-45.

 

[Resha Caner]

I am only discussing what IS written very plain in scripture in regard to water baptism...

Where did you learn this scripture?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Where did you learn this scripture?

From the Holy Spirit....

 

[Alithis]

When we add to scripture from an external scource which has no direct concord with scripture .we are in error.
Thats ok we make mistakes.
Revelation and understanding comes from the lord .
But if one claims a revelation from the lord which has no direct scripture to verify it.then the error is exposed.
The simple action we must take is to rethink.
To repent .
The one thing we must never do is hold beligerantly to our stance.
God cannot be wrong .
So if we do not agree with him in every aspect it is us that stand in error.
We must not hold to pride and impose tradition for the sake of tradition in plain opposition to Gods word.
Thats what the Pharisees did ...and in thier refusal to humble themselves they took the lord JESUS and nailed him to that wood alive.

 

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[DanishLutheran]

Just curious for those that believe in infant baptism, sprinkling, etc where did this idea come from since Jesus himself was not baptized until he was around 29-30?

Different baptism. Jesus was baptized with the baptism of John the Baptist, who himself said that the one who would come after him ( = Jesus) would baptize with a different baptism.

Also, baptism is to the New Covenant, what circumcision was to the Old. There is no way that any member of the Old Covenant would make their child wait 30 years - or even one - before being circumcized.

 

[timtams]

There is NO definition of "household"--oikos==that excludes infants and children. In fact, it even includes slaves, servants, employees, and clients of it.

Are you sure about that? The Greek word includes only slaves and clients. Do you have ANY examples where it has to include infants?

 

[DanishLutheran]

Are you sure about that? The Greek word includes only slaves and clients. Do you have ANY examples where it has to include infants?

The Roman Pater Familias was the head of the ENTIRE household - slaves, children, infants, etc, all of it.
And no, the word does not mean "Just slaves and clients".

 

[timtams]

The Roman Pater Familias was the head of the ENTIRE household - slaves, children, infants, etc, all of it.
And no, the word does not mean "Just slaves and clients".

You've added nothing. Provide evidence where oikos (not paterfamilias) includes infants, and not just the adult members of the family with their slaves and clients, and then you win the point that it "could" include infants on these occasions.

 

[DanishLutheran]

You've added nothing. Provide evidence where oikos (not paterfamilias) includes infants, and not just the adult members of the family with their slaves and clients, and then you win the point that it "could" include infants on these occasions.

Nice job at attempting to move the goalposts
But no.

Affirmanti incumbit probatio.

YOU are the one who claims that oikos does not include infants for some magical reason. YOU are the one who needs to provide proof of this argument.
Until then, you're *beep* out of an argument.