In some ways stoning is a good form of punishment, because the entire community must participate.
Back in the day, I could believe it.There is no way it could have meant literally.
No way.
Scattered thou out the past 2000 years there have been a few Christian eunuch's about.Like, if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off,
How onehanded Christians are there?
Back in the day, I could believe it.
Scattered thou out the past 2000 years there have been a few Christian eunuch's about.
Edited to add:
Some took to heart Matthew 19:12 "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Yes, kind of...
Back in the day?
Are there no hard and evil hearts today too?
What is forbidden, we should not.
What is permitted we need not.
So even if were taken to be permitted,
there is no need to permit it.
Josephus on Jesus - WikipediaBut this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned
Jesus in the Talmud - WikipediaOn (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover Jesus the Nazarene was hanged and a herald went forth before him forty days heralding, 'Jesus the Nazarene is going forth to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and instigated and seduced Israel to idolatry. Whoever knows anything in defense may come and state it.' But since they did not find anything in his defense they hanged him on (Sabbath eve and) the eve of Passover. Ulla said: Do you suppose that Jesus the Nazarene was one for whom a defense could be made? He was a mesit (someone who instigated Israel to idolatry), concerning whom the Merciful [God]says: Show him no compassion and do not shield him (Deut. 13:9). With Jesus the Nazarene it was different. For he was close to the government.
I think Jews used stoning as a form of execution at least until the Romans destroyed the Temple and Jewish homeland. Josephus says that James the brother of Jesus was stoned.
Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia
What the head bobbing and movements do in Zikr is to take a person out of their mind/body as they focus instead on the reality that there is only God and God is the only reality, which is what they are chanting.Visual stimulation is supposed to be even more effective than audio stimulation for entraining the brain to that frequency. A crowd of people with their heads bobbing from side to side at that frequency gives visual stimulation.
All true...which is why I believe stoning was a thing....back in the day.Back in the day?
Are there no hard and evil hearts today too?
What is forbidden, we should not.
What is permitted we need not.
So even if were taken to be permitted,
there is no need to permit it.
A while back in this threag I suggested why not call the Bible the tree of life,
or the Word of God the tree of life.
A guard was put to guard the tree of life, so that man would not stretch out his hand take from it, and eat and so live forever.
There is much mystical in the NT too,
Jesus spoke in parables.
It depends on the heart and mind of man if they find truth or not.
Today most want a source, link or some kind of proof,
They will not get it,
The heart has to be conditioned,
Blessings are sometimes described as rain,
What is the point of sending rain if the ground is not first prepared to recieve it?
Would you agree that this is the same as shamanic drumming other than the practitioner's objective (meeting a spirit animal vs. meeting God)? Chanting repeatedly, bobbing your head repeatedly, stepping in unison is all frequencies, and the frequencies seem close to the shamanic drumming and the theta brain frequency of 4-7 Hz.What the head bobbing and movements do in Zikr is to take a person out of their mind/body as they focus instead on the reality that there is only God and God is the only reality, which is what they are chanting.
There may be some similarities, but it's also way different. Often Sufi Zikr's change frequencies and tempo as well as bringing in different body movements. It depends upon the Sufi Order in how they do things. And where Shamans go into trance, Sufies do just the opposite and go into expanded awakened consciousness. Also, though a drum is most always present, so also are other musical instruments often present. And sometimes not at all, like when Zikr is done by one's self or a small group of Lovers of God.Would you agree that this is the same as shamanic drumming other than the practitioner's objective (meeting a spirit animal vs. meeting God)? Chanting repeatedly, bobbing your head repeatedly, stepping in unison is all frequencies, and the frequencies seem close to the shamanic drumming and the theta brain frequency of 4-7 Hz.
And where Shamans go into trance, Sufies do just the opposite and go into expanded awakened consciousness.
I've done shamanic work, trance states are not at all what Buddhist meditation or even the Sufies in the video gets into.The few times that I have successfully entered a trance state it felt like an expanded awakened consciousness somewhat. Buddhists meditation probably generates a trance state and they see that as expanded consciousness. I never felt that God was present while I was in a trance, but I only have a handful of experiences as data points.
I've done shamanic work, trance states are not at all what Buddhist meditation or even the Sufies in the video gets into.
I've never been hypnotized, but I don't have to jump very far to see why some connect it with trance. Trance is a different state of consciousness than is Buddhist meditation or Sufi Zikr which is more of a mystical experience.That's interesting. My brother-in-law is a hypnotist, and we were discussing trance, hypnosis, faith healers, etc. recently. He mentioned that there is debate among hypnotists about whether trance is actually intrinsic to hypnosis or not. So it's interesting that you see a distinction also. The only thing I have experienced is a light trance through staring at a candle or just recently through the shamanic drumming. I have also had visions or hallucinations, but they seemed to happen without any correlation to my own circumstances - unless maybe it was that I was uncertain about a choice to make.
If you care to elaborate on the differences that would be interesting, but maybe it is too involved.
Buddhists meditation probably generates a trance state and they see that as expanded consciousness.
The theta waves are common to both trance and Buddhist meditation. Of course @Quid est Veritas? mentioned earlier that the EEG is a course measure of brain state.That's pretty much the opposite of Buddhist meditation. Any type of trance state would miss the point.