Inducing brain state via music
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In some ways stoning is a good form of punishment, because the entire community must participate.
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There is no way it could have meant literally.
No way.
Like, if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off,
How onehanded Christians are there?
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Back in the day, I could believe it.
Scattered thou out the past 2000 years there have been a few Christian eunuch's about.
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Some took to heart Matthew 19:12 "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
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Notice there is a frequency to the chanting and the stomping and the swaying of the heads? The chanting is probably in the theta range of 4-7 Hz. I think the stomping and head swaying may be half that frequency but they might reinforce the higher frequency. The shamanic drumming also has slower frequencies along with the theta frequency, because the drumming is done by a human instead of a machine and that might make it more interesting too.
Visual stimulation is supposed to be even more effective than audio stimulation for entraining the brain to that frequency. A crowd of people with their heads bobbing from side to side at that frequency gives visual stimulation.
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I think Jews used stoning as a form of execution at least until the Romans destroyed the Temple and Jewish homeland. Josephus says that James the brother of Jesus was stoned.
Josephus on Jesus - Wikipedia
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In the Babylonian Talmud, the writers claim that Jesus was stoned before being hung on a tree, because stoning was the proper Jewish punishment. (This quote doesn't seem to be explicit about the stoning, but other quotes explain that Jesus was first stoned and then hung on a tree. Stoning was the correct punishment for the convictions. Medieval Christian censors made Jewish copyists and printers remove some of these quotes, because they found them offensive. So there are different versions and it requires some guessing to know the original text.)
It's interesting that Jews accepted primary responsibility for the death of Jesus in later centuries and actually were troubled by the mystery of Jesus being crucified instead of stoned. So they invented an explanation in the Babylonian Talmud. ... But in fact, most scholars think the Gospel authors pinned the blame on the Jewish authorities because the Jewish authorities were a safe target and the Roman authorities were a dangerous target. (The gospels were written after the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed, so the Jewish authorities were weaker.)
It's interesting that Jews accepted primary responsibility for the death of Jesus in later centuries and actually were troubled by the mystery of Jesus being crucified instead of stoned. So they invented an explanation in the Babylonian Talmud. ... But in fact, most scholars think the Gospel authors pinned the blame on the Jewish authorities because the Jewish authorities were a safe target and the Roman authorities were a dangerous target. (The gospels were written after the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed, so the Jewish authorities were weaker.)
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
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A while back in this threag I suggested why not call the Bible the tree of life,
or the Word of God the tree of life.
A guard was put to guard the tree of life, so that man would not stretch out his hand take from it, and eat and so live forever.
There is much mystical in the NT too,
Jesus spoke in parables.
It depends on the heart and mind of man if they find truth or not.
Today most want a source, link or some kind of proof,
They will not get it,
The heart has to be conditioned,
Blessings are sometimes described as rain,
What is the point of sending rain if the ground is not first prepared to recieve it?
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Blessings do fall like rain for all to receive.
The giver is unable to stop the rain of blessings, that's it's nature and the point.
As so eloquently pointed out, it's the receiver of the blessings that needs to be prepared.
It takes a soften heart to receive the forever falling rain.
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Would you agree that this is the same as shamanic drumming other than the practitioner's objective (meeting a spirit animal vs. meeting God)? Chanting repeatedly, bobbing your head repeatedly, stepping in unison is all frequencies, and the frequencies seem close to the shamanic drumming and the theta brain frequency of 4-7 Hz.
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There may be some similarities, but it's also way different. Often Sufi Zikr's change frequencies and tempo as well as bringing in different body movements. It depends upon the Sufi Order in how they do things. And where Shamans go into trance, Sufies do just the opposite and go into expanded awakened consciousness. Also, though a drum is most always present, so also are other musical instruments often present. And sometimes not at all, like when Zikr is done by one's self or a small group of Lovers of God.
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The few times that I have successfully entered a trance state it felt like an expanded awakened consciousness somewhat. Buddhists meditation probably generates a trance state and they see that as expanded consciousness. I never felt that God was present while I was in a trance, but I only have a handful of experiences as data points.
The only time I felt that I saw God I might blame on eating too many carrots. LOL Also I was in an extremely depressed state of mind, and that is probably the true cause, but I did eat a whole bag of raw carrots just before going to sleep on the floor. I had a dream where it seemed that God answered some questions and showed Himself to me as a reassurance. Carrots... carrots are the key to God. Bugs Bunny will get on board with that religion.
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That's interesting. My brother-in-law is a hypnotist, and we were discussing trance, hypnosis, faith healers, etc. recently. He mentioned that there is debate among hypnotists about whether trance is actually intrinsic to hypnosis or not. So it's interesting that you see a distinction also. The only thing I have experienced is a light trance through staring at a candle or just recently through the shamanic drumming. I have also had visions or hallucinations, but they seemed to happen without any correlation to my own circumstances - unless maybe it was that I was uncertain about a choice to make.
If you care to elaborate on the differences that would be interesting, but maybe it is too involved.
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I've never been hypnotized, but I don't have to jump very far to see why some connect it with trance. Trance is a different state of consciousness than is Buddhist meditation or Sufi Zikr which is more of a mystical experience.
As an example, take your candle meditation. This is only an example mind you...A shaman might trance on the light of the candle and let it take him to spirit, be it a spirit animal, plant or what ever. A mystic on the other hand would project themselves into the light, becoming the light and find the essence of him/herself as also light. I don't know if that us understandable or not.
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That's pretty much the opposite of Buddhist meditation. Any type of trance state would miss the point.
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The theta waves are common to both trance and Buddhist meditation. Of course @Quid est Veritas? mentioned earlier that the EEG is a course measure of brain state.
How do you define meditation?
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