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In terms of spiritual mechanics or dynamics, what does it mean being born again?

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Let proposition P1 = The Paraclete showed up in the OT.

True?

He's God, so of course He was in the OT. The first mention of the Holy Spirit is in the opening verses of Genesis chapter 1, when God created the heavens and the earth, when the earth was a formless waste, the Holy Spirit is right there hovering over the primordial waters.

The sending/giving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost is definitely a special and unique thing, and so the indwelling of the Spirit in the life of the believer is special compared to the former way of things.

But He's still the same Person He always has been. The Holy Spirit is Eternal and Almighty God, He always has been, always is, and always will be. And He resides with us and in us by the grace of God, as our Paraclete, our Comforter, who keeps us in faith.

Seeing as I am a Lutheran, I am partial to how Dr. Luther explains the Third Article of the Apostles' Creed, "I believe in the Holy Spirit", in this way:

"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which we could not attain of ourselves.

Learn, then, to understand this article most clearly. If you are asked: What do you mean by the words: I believe in the Holy Ghost? you can answer: I believe that the Holy Ghost makes me holy, as His name implies. But whereby does He accomplish this, or what are His method and means to this end? Answer: By the Christian Church, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. For, in the first place, He has a peculiar congregation in the world, which is the mother that begets and bears every Christian through the Word of God, which He reveals and preaches, [and through which] He illumines and enkindles hearts, that they understand, accept it, cling to it, and persevere in it.

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This, now, is the article which must ever be and remain in operation. For creation we have received; redemption, too, is finished But the Holy Ghost carries on His work without ceasing to the last day. And for that purpose He has appointed a congregation upon earth by which He speaks and does everything. For He has not yet brought together all His Christian Church nor dispensed forgiveness. Therefore we believe in Him who through the Word daily brings us into the fellowship of this Christian Church, and through the same Word and the forgiveness of sins bestows, increases, and strengthens faith, in order that when He has accomplished it all, and we abide therein, and die to the world and to all evil, He may finally make us perfectly and forever holy
[in the future resurrection of the body and the life everlasting]; which now we expect in faith through the Word." - The Large Catechism, Secion II, Article III

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Can you give one verse?

What are you looking for, a verse that shows the Holy Spirit in the OT? Or are you wanting a verse that shows that the Holy Spirit is God?

I can provide both:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." - Genesis 1:2

"But a man named Ananias, with his wife, Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? Youthave not lied to man but to God.'" - Acts 5:1-4

-CryptoLutheran?
 
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What are you looking for, a verse that shows the Holy Spirit in the OT? Or are you wanting a verse that shows that the Holy Spirit is God?

I can provide both:

"The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." - Genesis 1:2

"But a man named Ananias, with his wife, Sapphira, sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, 'Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? Youthave not lied to man but to God.'" - Acts 5:1-4

-CryptoLutheran?
The word "Paraclete" is not in the verse.
 
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Irrelevant.

-CryptoLutheran
Please confirm the following:

You claim that the Paraclete appeared in the OT.

Fact 1: The word "Paraclete" is not in the OT.

Fact 1 is irrelevant to your claim.

True?
 
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Please confirm the following:

You claim that the Paraclete appeared in the OT.

Fact 1: The word "Paraclete" is not in the OT.

Fact 1 is irrelevant to your claim.

True?

I'm unsure what game you are trying to play here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm unsure what game you are trying to play here.

-CryptoLutheran
I am not playing a game. Well, maybe. You can call it a First-Order Logical game.

Please confirm the following:

You claim that the Paraclete appeared in the OT.

Fact 1: The word "Paraclete" is not in the OT.

Fact 1 is irrelevant to your claim.

True?

I am only trying to understand your logic :)
 
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I am not playing a game. Well, maybe. You can call it a First-Order Logical game.

Please confirm the following:

You claim that the Paraclete appeared in the OT.

The Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Old Testament, yes.

Fact 1: The word "Paraclete" is not in the OT.

True, the Greek word παράκλητος is not used anywhere in the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the Old Testament.

Fact 1 is irrelevant to your claim.

True?

True. It is irrelevant to my claim.

I am only trying to understand your logic :)

It's not that difficult.

I said the Holy Spirit is in the Old Testament, because He is. He's mentioned right there in Genesis 1:2.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It's not that difficult.

I said the Holy Spirit is in the Old Testament, because He is. He's mentioned right there in Genesis 1:2.

-CryptoLutheran
Sorry that I am slow. Are you now saying that the Paraclete is not in the OT?
 
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Sorry that I am slow. Are you now saying that the Paraclete is not in the OT?

The Person of the Holy Spirit is in the Old Testament.
The word "Paraclete" used to describe the Holy Spirit in a few places in the New Testament, is not.

Is that clear enough? How can I make this more clear?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Is that clear enough? How can I make this more clear?
Glad that you asked :) You can make it more clear by answering the following logical true or false question:

Let proposition P1 = The Paraclete appeared in the OT.

True?
 
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Glad that you asked :) You can make it more clear by answering the following logical true or false question:

Let proposition P1 = The Paraclete appeared in the OT.

True?

True. The Holy Spirit is found throughout the OT.

-CryptoLUtheran
 
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Let me try another angle :)

What is the difference between Jesus and God?

That depends on what you mean when you say "God".

By God do you mean the Person of God the Father, or are you referring to the Divine Essence which the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share due to their Sameness-in-Being?

Jesus is God the Son, the Second Person of the Divine and Holy Trinity. Also known as the Logos, or Word when translated into English. He is only-begotten of the Father from all eternity, He has no beginning and no end, He is Eternal even as His Father is Eternal. He is God, even as His Father is God. Not a different God, but the same God. Same-in-Being with His Father.

Jesus is God, because He is God the Son.
Jesus, however, is not the Father. He is a distinct Person than His Father.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Exactly :)

What is the difference between Holy Spirit and Paraclete?

There isn't one.

What is the difference between Jesus and Christ?

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What is the difference between Jesus and Christ?
Right.

So what is the difference between the term Holy Spirit and the term Paraclete? Both terms refer to the same being but what is the difference between these two terms?
 
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Being born-again means exactly what biblical scripture tells us it means...

Everyone who is born-again is born of divinity...

1 John 5:1... "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been begotten of God, and everyone who loves Him who has begotten loves him also who has been begotten of Him."

To be "...begotten of God..." is to be begotten of divinity.

Therefore... To be born-again of God is to be a divine being... Which, in the case of a human... Is to be divinely human... Divine according to God's life and nature... Human according to the created vessel that we were created by God to be, which is composed of our body, soul, and spirit.

When a person is born-again of God, this person's spirit is immediately regenerated with God as its content.

Because of this, those who are born-again of God have the opportunity to cooperate with the inward-dwelling God for the working out of our salvation, through the renewing of our human faculty that is our soul (mind, emotion, and will).

And at some point in the future, this renewing will even renew (regenerate) our physical body.

When this has taken place, the full salvation of God toward man will be realized and manifested to all creation.

To be born-again of God ultimately means... To contain and express God... This is why biblical scripture tells us that we have the hope of glory in Christ Jesus... As we will express God... And God expressed is... Glory.

And this,
Thank you, brother!
This is why He’s asked us to practice weekly!

Who we are In His Spirit is Him; what we ‘know’ or believe in the flesh is just the tasty fruit from the other tree!

A loaf of bread, a glass of wine, and people willing and eager to look beyond the religious facade that literally hides us from ourselves.… that’s all He asked of us to meet with Him, to become ONE WITH HIM

“For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.”

(that’s talking about knowing the spirit of others in order to function as His healthy body.)

Amazing witness- a bold profession of wisdom & insight.

Praise our Father for His wonderful Plan!
 
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