In reference to God creating an earth made with apparent age,

[Loudmouth]

You can take responsibility for your own life,
you can blame others for the direction it is pointed,
or you can Trust that God has your best
interests in mind no matter what happens.

Dear members of the jury, I, as the defense, have stated quite clearly that God planted my client's DNA and fingerprints at the crime scene. Of course, I need not present any evidence of this because God's actions leave no evidence . . . other than my client's fingerprints and DNA all over the murder victim, of course. All you need is faith in God and you will see this wonderful miracle that God has created.

As a jury member, would you accept that as a rational argument?

 

[Loudmouth]

A. God wants us to choose faith.

I like A.

Faith is a belief held in the ABSENCE of evidence. There is no absence of evidence for an old Earth. We have literal mountains of proof that the Earth is old. Faith is NOT a belief held in contradiction to the facts.

 

[SnowyMacie]

"My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally." - John Dominic Crossan

 

[SkyWriting]

What God holds together is something governed by the laws of nature he created.So why is it that creationists have to maintain that God acted in all sorts of illogical ways, and then have to override his own natural laws to fix the situation he had created?Creationists seem to believe in a pretty muddle headed God.

You'll need to be more specific before I would have the
opportunity to draw a similar muddle headed conclusion.

 

[lesliedellow]

You'll need to be more specific before I would have the
opportunity to draw a similar muddle headed conclusion.

Today I will create plant life.
Well, that's a good days work done.
Tomorrow I've got the Sun to cre.....
Oops, I forgot, plant life needs an energy source.
Oh well, until I get around to creating the Sun tomorrow, I will have to use miraculous means to maintain its life.
Silly old me.

 

[SkyWriting]

"My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally." - John Dominic Crossan

But they are both. That has always been God's power to use actual events.

 

[SkyWriting]

In that case gamma rays are light as well, and so are radio waves. Light generally means electromagnetic radiation in the range 400-700nm.

I didn't say they were light, and what's the beef anyway?

 

[SkyWriting]

Today I will create plant life.
Well, that's a good days work done.
Tomorrow I've got the Sun to cre.....
Oops, I forgot, plant life needs an energy source.
Oh well, until I get around to creating the Sun tomorrow, I will have to use miraculous means to maintain its life.
Silly old me.

The specific of the Creation process doesn't fit well with a scientific explanation
and it doesn't seem to offer us any insights spiritually either. My conclusion is
the specific order of creation is not the intended message.

 

[Loudmouth]

The specific of the Creation process doesn't fit well with a scientific explanation
and it doesn't seem to offer us any insights spiritually either.

What you are requiring God to do is plant fake fossils in the ground and fake stars in the sky. How does that make sense?

 

[lesliedellow]

What you are requiring God to do is plant fake fossils in the ground and fake stars in the sky. How does that make sense?

It makes no sense at all.

 

[Hammster]

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[Hammster]

Today I will create plant life.
Well, that's a good days work done.
Tomorrow I've got the Sun to cre.....
Oops, I forgot, plant life needs an energy source.
Oh well, until I get around to creating the Sun tomorrow, I will have to use miraculous means to maintain its life.
Silly old me.

First off, please be mindful of our rule concerning blasphemy.

But as to your point, there was already light on Day One. The Sun was not created to provide light.

 

[Subduction Zone]

First off, please be mindful of our rule concerning blasphemy.

But as to your point, there was already light on Day One. The Sun was not created to provide light.

Isn't that a problem with Genesis? We know that without the Sun locally there would be no light. What would the source of this light be without the Sun?

 

[Hammster]

Isn't that a problem with Genesis? We know that without the Sun locally there would be no light. What would the source of this light be without the Sun?

It's not a problem. The Sun is not necessary for light.

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. - Revelation 21:23

 

[Loudmouth]

It's not a problem. The Sun is not necessary for light.

Are you saying that the Earth would be lit just as brightly without the Sun?

 

[Hammster]

Are you saying that the Earth would be lit just as brightly without the Sun?

Brighter would be my guess. But I don't have anything from scripture to say one way or another.

 

[Loudmouth]

Brighter would be my guess. But I don't have anything from scripture to say one way or another.

You guess? Because it is written down in a book?

Surely you can understand why we would be skeptical, right?

 

[RickG]

It's not a problem. The Sun is not necessary for light.

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. - Revelation 21:23

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, apparent age?

 

[Hammster]

You guess? Because it is written down in a book?

Surely you can understand why we would be skeptical, right?

I'm not concerned with your skepticism. I was just addressing the post.

 

[Hammster]

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, apparent age?

I was just responding to a question.