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Impeachment

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Simon/Rock, Dec 28, 2019.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    Birds of a feather - men who committed adultery on their wives and paid their accusers to sign non disclosure agreements. Point out the bad one.

    How Trump Is Just Like Bill Clinton

    How would a semi-confession affect Melania Trump? Compared with Hillary Clinton, who was part of her husband’s political operation and participated in his defense against female accusers, she is an innocent bystander. The first lady surely knew she wasn’t marrying Mitt Romney, but she didn’t sign up for the daily humiliating reminders that her husband probably cheated on her.

    As the governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton wasn’t the celebrity that Trump was, so he had to settle for dalliances with Little Rock lounge singers and low-level government workers — porn stars and playmates were out of his reach. But the basic picture is the same.​
     
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  2. The Barbarian

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    Nope. That was public. Anyone who wants to know, can look it up. Hush money is something you pay to hide it, as Trump did in paying off the porn star with whom he committed adultery, betraying his current wife Melania:

    The differences are:
    1. Trump's wasn't an open record; his attorney admitted it after being indicted.
    2. Trump's was an attempt to illegally hide the fact, to save his election campaign. (and therefore a crime)
    3. Trump's hush money was to hide guilt, not admit it.

    No, it was not hush money, it was to cover whatever damages she thought she incurred.

    I thought it was Trump being sued by a then-13 year old girl for rape...(Barbarian checks)
    Yes, it was. You have that wrong.
    Woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her at 13 drops lawsuit

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

    Apparently, there are 25 women who have accused Trump of sexual assault:
    The 25 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct

    Yep. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of republicans who went after Bill Clinton while pardoning Trump's much longer list.
     
  3. The Barbarian

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    Show us that. Every time I ask someone for some substantiation, they change the subject.
     
  4. The Barbarian

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    As you learned, "Fast and Furious" was a continuation of George W. Bush's "Wide Receiver" program, designed to put weapons in the hands of the cartels. Until Obama stepped in and ended it, there were no convictions gained for all those weapons, and Obama then ended the program after those convictions.

    At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms. As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pleaded guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.
    ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia

    Obama intervened and shut down Bush's program and the succeeding one in 2010.
     
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  5. hislegacy

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    There is hypocrisy on BOTH sides.

    BOTH committed adultery
    BOTH got caught
    BOTH paid

    BOTH ARE WRONG.
     
  6. hislegacy

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    Us? Who is us?

    as for your question, you would have to address that with someone who has said it.

    I, for one, have not.
     
  7. The Barbarian

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    Should Clinton have been impeached for trying to cover up his adultery?
     
  8. hislegacy

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    no, and he wasn’t.

    He was impeached for committing Pergury.
     
  9. Simon/Rock

    Simon/Rock God is Truth. "Seek and ye(you) shall find."

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    Yes, what Trump did was wrong, but there is no comparison, when Bill got caught with Epstien going to an island with underaged girls there for really really unethical intent.
     
  10. Simon/Rock

    Simon/Rock God is Truth. "Seek and ye(you) shall find."

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    To bad Obama, and Hillary couldn't pay the guys who got out several Americans at Benghazi, after they were told to stand down, so Americans could get murdered. Then they came back and talked about it, and The Liberal Media didn't cover it, because it would have told Americans the truth, and devastated the Democrat Politicians in Washington, for exposing how evil they truly are.
     
  11. The Barbarian

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    Checkable source? Every time I try to find it, the facts seem to get in the way. I realize that republicans had such high hopes for Benghazi, but at some point, you've just got to let go if it.
     
  12. The Barbarian

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    Well, let's take a look at that...

    The year was 1992 and the event was a “calendar girl” competition, something that George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman who ran American Dream Enterprise, had organized at Mr. Trump’s request.

    “I arranged to have some contestants fly in,” Mr. Houraney recalled in an interview on Monday. “At the very first party, I said, ‘Who’s coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming.’ It was him and Epstein.”

    Mr. Houraney, who had just partnered with Mr. Trump to host events at his casinos, said he was surprised. “I said, ‘Donald, this is supposed to be a party with V.I.P.s. You’re telling me it’s you and Epstein?’”

    In fact, that was the case, an indication of a yearslong friendship between the president and Mr. Epstein that some say ended only after a failed business arrangement between them.
    ...
    “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

    Jeffrey Epstein Was a ‘Terrific Guy,’ Donald Trump Once Said. Now He’s ‘Not a Fan.’

    The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained

    The anonymous plaintiff dropped her lawsuit against Trump, the circumstances around which have been bizarre.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

    Donald Trump used to “stroll right in” to the dressing room of beauty pageants while the contestants - some of whom were teenagers - were naked or half-dressed, a former model has claimed.
    Tasha Dixon was 18 when she competed in the Miss USA pageant, winning the state crown.
    “Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis,” Ms Dixon told CBS.
    Former Miss Arizona says Donald Trump used to 'stroll in' to see naked women in dressing room

    Creepy, huh?
     
  13. Simon/Rock

    Simon/Rock God is Truth. "Seek and ye(you) shall find."

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    The men that saved other Americans went on Fox News. I believe it was the Hannity show. You can look it up, and watch them talk about what happened first hand.

    Compare first hand, from the men who were heros, and brought back Americans, to the Liberal Media, that suffocated the truth out. That's what the Liberal media does in general. Completely biased, one sided, and radically Democrat. They're controlled by their employers. Who are Democrat Politicians.

    Just look at Brian Williams, having his own seat as a news anchor on prime television on one of the main three channels. (ABC, CBS, NBC) He got demoted, and still has his own show, but on a cable network call msNBC.

    The double standard thing about this is, that if a Republican/Conservative person in the Media did the exact same thing. They would be fired, disgraced, and dishonored. Never to have a job working for the news media again.
     
  14. BobRyan

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    There's a good reason for that

    Trump, Obama tie for Americans' most-admired man

    Just because of the great economy? Low unemployment for minorities, embassy moved to Jerusalem? Wage increases in the bottom two quin tiles? getting the NKorea "biggest problem Obama had" down from def con 999? Getting judges in that respect the constitution?

    because of the great economy, Low unemployment for minorities, embassy moved to Jerusalem, Wage increases in the bottom two quin tiles, getting the NKorea "biggest problem Obama had" down from def con 999, Getting judges in that respect the constitution ... (just like obama?)

    Oh and ... "solving Obama-created-ISIS-fiasco"

    ok... well... there's that.

    But just remember ... "one man's sham is another man's scam". :)

    BTW because Trump is in office - Glacier National Park has to take down all its signs saying all the glaciers will be gone by 2020 - this year. He saved the glaciers apparently.... just like Obama did.
     
  15. miggles

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    i understand that he is not impeached until the senate votes for it too.
     
  16. Jamesone5

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    Clinton was impeached--the Senate did not vote to remove him from Office.
     
  17. miggles

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    the senate voted to impeach clinton too but not remove him from office.
     
  18. Jamesone5

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    Uh, no they voted NOT to remove him from office on the Articles of impeachment that the House sent over.

    Bill Clinton Impeachment Facts - 3: President Bill Clinton was the 42nd president of the United States, whose term in office spanned from January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001. Bill Clinton was impeached by the House on December 19, 1998.
    Reference: www.american-historama.org/1990-present-modern-era/bill-clinton-impeachment.htm
     
  19. miggles

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    that's what i said. the senate voted to impeach him but not to remove him from office. the bottom line is that congress alone can not impeach a president. the senate has to, too.
     
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  20. Jamesone5

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    So I guess according to you, we can now remove the footnote next to Clinton's name and Nixon's and even Andrew Johnson's name and while we are at it, change the wording in the Constitution to fit what Trump supporters want it to be. Why are you wasting time with me, when you should be contacting your Senators and Congressperson to change the wording in the Constitution?.

    bottom line is this

    House votes to impeach--Senate votes to remove from office
     
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