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[Lludmila]

Thoughts on Terrorism.........

I wonder if instilling into the people the fear of another attack could be counted as a form of terrorism?

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Thoughts on Terrorism.........

I wonder if instilling into the people the fear of another attack could be counted as a form of terrorism?

...or prudence?

 

[Touma]

I was referring to why would one imagine that military would be necessary to avert terrorism?

Our military and foreign policy is what is causing terrorism. I mean, if you look at where the US has stuck its fat, grubby fingers, its not surprise that we have so many people hating us.

 

[jad123]

Our military and foreign policy is what is causing terrorism. I mean, if you look at where the US has stuck its fat, grubby fingers, its not surprise that we have so many people hating us.

What a load of you know what. Terrorism has long existed before US policy in that region became a so called problem. Terrorism is caused by the culture that is preached by radical Islamics not US policies. Maybe our support of Israel but the sad fact with Israel is they could pick up and leave the West Bank tomorrow terrorism against Israel would continue as sworn by many.

 

[cookiebaker]

Thoughts on Terrorism.........

I wonder if instilling into the people the fear of another attack could be counted as a form of terrorism?

Having an awareness of the reality of today's world and the very real presence of terrorists, what else would you propose? Not telling people about possible threats? Not educating the public, or not having real safety measures?

I know that if there WAS anothe rterrorist attack, then the complaint would be "why didnt our President do MORE? Why wasnt he making us MORE careful of terrorism??"

I guess I dont understand the complaint of being vigilant against terror attacks? the alternative is they will occur with more success, and then people will moan "why werent we waaarnnned??"

 

[cookiebaker]

Our military and foreign policy is what is causing terrorism. I mean, if you look at where the US has stuck its fat, grubby fingers, its not surprise that we have so many people hating us.

you cant be serious....

 

[Touma]

What a load of you know what. Terrorism has long existed before US policy in that region became a so called problem. Terrorism is caused by the culture that is preached by radical Islamics not US policies. Maybe our support of Israel but the sad fact with Israel is they could pick up and leave the West Bank tomorrow terrorism against Israel would continue as sworn by many.

Don't bore me with your lies. Terrorism started long ago, before radical islamic policy as you claimed. The Us is just now the biggest supplier of terrorism in the world. Really, supporting gov't that go and kill tens of thousands of civillians, is a terrorist act. Just ask the people of latin american nations that suffered from us backed dictators. Or how about the US special interest groups and businesses, that exploit the poor third world nations? Or those nations that suffer embargo because of the us. That's terrorism. More people die daily from that, than what happened on sept 11th.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

Our military and foreign policy is what is causing terrorism. I mean, if you look at where the US has stuck its fat, grubby fingers, its not surprise that we have so many people hating us.

That's one the more one-sided and naive things I've read in a long, long time!

 

[Tangeloper]

For those who think the problem with Islamic Radical Terrorists was created by America, please consider the following:

If it was the U.S.'s fault then,

1. Why are Christians in Indonesia and the Phillipines falling to the sword of militant/radical Islam?
2. Why does Ahmadinejad continually call for wiping Israel off the map?
3. Why does Al-Qaeda specifically target civilians in Iraq with their car bombs, and why are Iraqi citizens standing up AGAINST the terrorists among them?
4. Why are Militant/Radical Islamics committing genocide in Darfur, and other areas of Africa?
5. Why do Al-Qaeda and other Radical/Militant Islamic groups specifically target Christians and Jews as Infidels -- from ANY nation -- and not just Americans?
6. Why did members of Radical/Militant Islam side with the Nazis in WWII?
7. Why are radical/militant Islamics fighting against the Russians in Chechnya?
8. Why are radical/militant Islamics causing so much strife in countries such as Great Britain, Denmark, Germany, etc... indeed, throughout Europe as well?

I could go on and on about this -- perhaps I will come back with more examples, but I think this is probably enough for people to think about for now...

Those who wish to blame America, instead of holding responsible the Militant/Radical Islamic groups in our world who preach and encourage subjugation, violence, and intolerance are the ones deluding themselves, IMHO.

Don't buy into the propoganda of either side, and instead look to the ACTIONS of those people who CLAIM to want peace!

Both sides speak of supposed freedom, and peace -- only one side is actually trying to HELP citizens recover (building schools, access to clean water, etc...), the other is perpetuating the strife simply because they are not being allowed to subjugate the populace under Sharia Law. (See also; The Taliban in Afghanistan).

Both sides speak of equality, and respecting human rights -- however, only one side has prisons for combatants, while the other beheads and follows NONE of our agreed upon societal rules for warfare (i.e. Geneva Conventions). Only one side preaches women's rights, but then supports those institutions that strip away every right a woman has in society.

UGH... so much to say, and not enough time to counter all the horrid propoganda people in our world believe...

Let me leave you with this comment: NO-ONE who is civilized and RATIONAL wants war to pretend otherwise is simply naive -- there does come a time when it is necessary to choose between what is easy and comfortable, and what is right. Our ancestors faced this decision in WWII, and we again face this decision vs. the Radical/Militant Islamic terrorists in our world. I hope we are as smart as our ancestors, and one day defeat those who seek to destroy the only true bastion of freedom left in the world (as precarious re: those rights as our country is today).

 

[Gwenyfur]

Our military and foreign policy is what is causing terrorism. I mean, if you look at where the US has stuck its fat, grubby fingers, its not surprise that we have so many people hating us.

 

[jad123]

Don't bore me with your lies. Terrorism started long ago, before radical islamic policy as you claimed. The Us is just now the biggest supplier of terrorism in the world. Really, supporting gov't that go and kill tens of thousands of civillians, is a terrorist act. Just ask the people of latin american nations that suffered from us backed dictators. Or how about the US special interest groups and businesses, that exploit the poor third world nations? Or those nations that suffer embargo because of the us. That's terrorism. More people die daily from that, than what happened on sept 11th.

hahahahahaha Total ignorance.

 

[Touma]

All you folks have to do is look at history books, non USian biased that is. They still teach that the 'pilgrim' and natives got along fine and were friendly, etc.

 

[ParsonJefferson]

All you folks have to do is look at history books, non USian biased that is. They still teach that the 'pilgrim' and natives got along fine and were friendly, etc.

Well... that's not what I was taught in history. But maybe some places it is.

 

[Tangeloper]

All you folks have to do is look at history books, non USian biased that is. They still teach that the 'pilgrim' and natives got along fine and were friendly, etc.

Sure, maybe at first they got along when the numbers were small, and when they were dealing with only one tribe at first (i.e. The First Thanksgiving).

But we are taught of the horrors that were perpetrated against Native Americans as well (i.e. Blankets infested with Smallpox, the Trail of Tears, etc...).

What happened the the Native Americans in our country was shameful!!! We could have learned a lot from them (i.e. proper care of our environment) were it not for the prejudiced, and bigoted views of the people during that time against them.

In my school (during an elective history class my senior year -- Current Events) we were also taught of the Vietnam War, and both sides were represented. My teacher did NOT rely on books, but rather we listened to other teachers who had been there that came to speak to our class!

If anything U.S. teachings in public schools have changed since I graduated (15 years ago) in the following way; Many children are taught that things weren't so bad under Stalin for example, and many are indoctrinated with socialist thoughts and viewpoints. That is one of many reasons why I homeschool. You would be surprised at what does go on in our schools re: teachers influencing youngsters with political viewpoints and such. (Another example of this has been the showing of Al Gore's movie on Global Warming -- here is something that scientists still disagree on, and many of the claims were exaggerated, and it's been proven that some scenes were manipulated (the polar bears who were NOT stuck with no hope of reaching land -- it was yards away and polar bears LOVE swimming!) but liberal teachers (Green Party, Dems, etc...) believe all of this that is presented without question. This is being taught to our students as FACT and it was required viewing in quite a few science classes across the country)

I don't think it's a good idea for any child to not have a firm grasp on history, and learn from what happened. I'm reminded of that old saying: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

If you want to see history books, etc... that are really biased and inaccurate I suggest you pick up some of the texts that are given to children in Islamic states, and in Mossads around the world. You would be flabbergasted to hear what is in those books -- especially the racist/bigoted rhetoric taught about Jews (and Christians).

~~ Tangeloper

 

[cookiebaker]

All you folks have to do is look at history books, non USian biased that is. They still teach that the 'pilgrim' and natives got along fine and were friendly, etc.

Zilam,

what you overlook is that if you are to use European textbooks, they will be slanted to THEIR view of things, if you use middle eastern materials, slanted in a really horrifying way to say the least...in other words, there is no 'pure' unslanted textbooks, really...if you think about it, any book is written by humans, and they all their own ideas about things. SOme can be more neutral than others, but they will all have some sort of slant one way or another...if you propose using non U.S. materials then you are going to be getting another spin on things...very anti U.S. There is no pure book free of all bias...sorry to break the news to you!

 

[irateional]

Sure, maybe at first they got along when the numbers were small, and when they were dealing with only one tribe at first (i.e. The First Thanksgiving).

But we are taught of the horrors that were perpetrated against Native Americans as well (i.e. Blankets infested with Smallpox, the Trail of Tears, etc...).

What happened the the Native Americans in our country was shameful!!! We could have learned a lot from them (i.e. proper care of our environment) were it not for the prejudiced, and bigoted views of the people during that time against them.

In my school (during an elective history class my senior year -- Current Events) we were also taught of the Vietnam War, and both sides were represented. My teacher did NOT rely on books, but rather we listened to other teachers who had been there that came to speak to our class!

If anything U.S. teachings in public schools have changed since I graduated (15 years ago) in the following way; Many children are taught that things weren't so bad under Stalin for example, and many are indoctrinated with socialist thoughts and viewpoints. That is one of many reasons why I homeschool. You would be surprised at what does go on in our schools re: teachers influencing youngsters with political viewpoints and such. (Another example of this has been the showing of Al Gore's movie on Global Warming -- here is something that scientists still disagree on, and many of the claims were exaggerated, and it's been proven that some scenes were manipulated (the polar bears who were NOT stuck with no hope of reaching land -- it was yards away and polar bears LOVE swimming!) but liberal teachers (Green Party, Dems, etc...) believe all of this that is presented without question. This is being taught to our students as FACT and it was required viewing in quite a few science classes across the country)

I don't think it's a good idea for any child to not have a firm grasp on history, and learn from what happened. I'm reminded of that old saying: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

If you want to see history books, etc... that are really biased and inaccurate I suggest you pick up some of the texts that are given to children in Islamic states, and in Mossads around the world. You would be flabbergasted to hear what is in those books -- especially the racist/bigoted rhetoric taught about Jews (and Christians).

~~ Tangeloper

This is a bit of a joke, right?

Global warming is pretty well supported by any scientist in fields involving the Earth. The only real debate is if it's man caused.

Global warming doesn't imply catastrophic flooding; only the news oes. It just states that the Earth is undergoing another climate shift like it has before.

Anyways...the US is definitely to blame for a lot of terrorism. But so are a lot of other factors. It's not a zerosum game. No one side is more guilty than the other in relaity.

Think of the situations that we run into around the world as nets. Lost of individual strings contribute to the net, and together, they make the net work.

There are a lot of factors to Al-Qaeda and Islamic radicalism, and only a fool would deny that the US is part of the net that comprises that issue. We're arguably one of the biggest strings, only slightly behind that particular theological doctrine that enables Islamic terrorism (Wahhabism, no?).

 

[Tangeloper]

No, I don't joke about things as serious as this...

As I said in response to your other post in the other thread (on Illegal Immigrants); I was hit with a migraine this morning, and will respond to this post in-depth as soon as I am physically able...

Thanks for your understanding, and I hope we can continue this discussion again soon as well as the other one.

~~ Tangeloper

 

[Lludmila]

I want to talk about terrorism for a minute. It seems that "Terrorism" has become a buzzword of sorts (at least in America). Does anyone really know what it means?

It grates on me that people associate terrorism with Islam. You know about the Christian (Protestant and Catholic) terrorists in Northern Ireland and other places in the British Isles?

My $0.02.

Please don't think that all Muslims are terrorists ~OR~ that all terrorists are Muslims!!!!!!!!

 

[KEPLER]

Not a well known fact in the USA, but if GW Bush, D Rumsfeld, Cheney ever enter Europe they would be instantly arrested for war crimes.

It's not well known because it is not a fact.

This may be the fantasy of the many deluded socialists who live over in Euroland....but it is not the truth.

 

[Touma]

I want to talk about terrorism for a minute. It seems that "Terrorism" has become a buzzword of sorts (at least in America). Does anyone really know what it means?

It grates on me that people associate terrorism with Islam. You know about the Christian (Protestant and Catholic) terrorists in Northern Ireland and other places in the British Isles?

My $0.02.

Please don't think that all Muslims are terrorists ~OR~ that all terrorists are Muslims!!!!!!!!