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Immortality by 2045?

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Again, you are comparing the Most Holy Character of GOD to a Man in the fallen nature. If you know the end from the beginning, and thus plan your course, what need is there to change your mind, except that you made a mistake in choosing your course? or found a better alternative which is revealing a mistake, or that the plan could be made better.

In all cases you are questioning the Most Holy Character of GOD, and blaspheming HIS name. GOD is not Mocked. truly, there should be reverence in the way we speak concerning the GOD of Creation. HE is perfect.
You're just dismissing the Bible, aren't you?

Exodus 32:14 - So the Lord changed His mind about the calamity He had said He would bring on His people.

If comparing God to humans means blasphemy, then why did Jesus compare God to humans in Luke 11:13?
 
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You're just dismissing the Bible, aren't you?

Exodus 32:14 - So the Lord changed His mind about the calamity He had said He would bring on His people.

If comparing God to humans means blasphemy, then why did Jesus compare God to humans in Luke 11:13?
The blasphemy is you saying that the GOD changed HIS mind. That is a blasphemy against the omnipotence of GOD, the ALL knowing GOD, who knows the end from the beginning. The GOD is not a gambler, HE does not test as science does to see how things will go. HE knows from the beginning.

And to respond to your other statement

Gen 6:6 is blasphemy
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Repent means to change your mind.

Then we have numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
 
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The blasphemy is you saying that the GOD changed HIS mind. That is a blasphemy against the omnipotence of GOD, the ALL knowing GOD, who knows the end from the beginning. The GOD is not a gambler, HE does not test as science does to see how things will go. HE knows from the beginning.

And to respond to your other statement

Gen 6:6 is blasphemy
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Repent means to change your mind.

Then we have numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
What you're saying annihilates the possibility of free will. It also implies that God is responsible for all the suffering in the world because He knew in advance that people will sin, He knew the consequences of sin, and it was in His control to stop them from sinning, but He chose to not do it.
 
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When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?
Avatars are fiction. Transfer of consciousness is fiction. God has consciousness outside of a body. It is not seen possible for people to live outside of their bodies unless God commands it. God has freedom of choice as to save a soul after death or cause it to perish. God can also kill, but sent Jesus to show mercy.

They have not found a cure for aging or Alzheimer's, but there is a village of vegetarians in India with the lowest documented incidence of dementia/Alzheimer's on earth.
BBC News - Indian village may hold key to beating dementia
 
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Avatars are fiction. Transfer of consciousness is fiction.
You know what else was considered fiction less than 100 years ago? The internet that you currently use to type the word "fiction" on. Also, organ transplants. Also, antibiotics. Go back 200 years and we can add flying in a plane, driving a car, taking a photo and filming a video to the list of "fiction"al things.

God has consciousness outside of a body. It is not seen possible for people to live outside of their bodies unless God commands it.
Commands it or allows it? Did God command Satan to harm Job or did He allow it? Did God command the Romans to kill Jesus or did He allow it?

God has freedom of choice as to save a soul after death or cause it to perish.
But this is not about what happens after death. This is about how to postpone death and increase longevity through technological means.
 
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What you're saying annihilates the possibility of free will. It also implies that God is responsible for all the suffering in the world because He knew in advance that people will sin, He knew the consequences of sin, and it was in His control to stop them from sinning, but He chose to not do it.

you don't know that you are in the fallen nature? That the result of that nature is to transgress the LAW?
The GOD predestines, but it does not erase free will. Free will is still yours it just means that the GOD already knows what you will choose. This is the same GOD that said: HE knows what you will ask for before you ask.

the suffering in the world is a result of a fallen world, and man being in the fallen nature. So, i think before you speak anymore blasphemies, you should seek to know the GOD you are speaking of, for there are consequences for every word spoken. GOD is not mocked.
 
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you don't know that you are in the fallen nature? That the result of that nature is to transgress the LAW?
The GOD predestines, but it does not erase free will. Free will is still yours it just means that the GOD already knows what you will choose. This is the same GOD that said: HE knows what you will ask for before you ask.
Predestination and free will are contradictory concepts. Free will cannot exist if actions are predestined / predetermined.

the suffering in the world is a result of a fallen world, and man being in the fallen nature.
A fallen world that God knew would happen. A fallen nature that God knew would exist. And yet He allowed them to happen despite being able to stop them from happening. Therefore, He is responsible for them.

So, i think before you speak anymore blasphemies, you should seek to know the GOD you are speaking of, for there are consequences for every word spoken. GOD is not mocked.
I'm not mocking anyone. And I find your assumption that I have not sought God, as well as your constant accusations of blasphemy, offensive.
 
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Easy answer: no one knows what happens when we die.

The only way we "know" about dying involving going to Heaven with Jesus is because of the Bible. And the Bible has many problems with it, both factually and morally, with contradictions even in accounts of the same story.

"Well, what about near-death-experiences?" you might ask. "People see the Father and Jesus and heaven all the time!" Yes, they do, except here's the thing: Those who are Hindus who have NDE see Hindu gods, rather than Jesus. If all NDEs are valid, it would mean that the Hindu gods are just as real as Jesus.

Plus, heaven as it is often portrayed.... seems kind of boring. An eternity in which your personality is overwhelmed by God's glory so you only want to worship him? Losing a huge part of what makes you "you"? Are you really "you" in that case, or just like an echo of your former self? And in any case, you'd never really eperience all the wonderful things that are being created by people in this world, or ever be able to go to see the stars and other planets.

So we really can't prove yet whether our consciousness exists after death. And that's a scary thing. It's a fear for a lot of people. It's a fear for me.

Now "uploading consciousness" is a sketchy thing for that reason, because we don't entirely understand how consciousness works yet. We don't know if such a process would truly work in transferring our consciousness or it would just create a copy that believes it's us and has memories of being us. Besides, technology can short-circuit and all that and then you'd die anyway.

So I don't think that "uploading consciousness" thing will ever happen because we're still learning about consciousness.

But if there was a way to be immortal that didn't involve that "consciousness uploading" thing, in which we could extend our lifespans indefinitely if we desired, as I assume there will be at some point in the future then I'd definitely take it. If people come up with a way to live forever that doesn't involve "uploadibng consciousness" sketchiness, I'll gladly take it.

I don't have time to go into everything right now, but here's some food for thought regarding the "contradictions" part: Did you know that some survivors of the Titanic disaster claimed the ship was cut in half when it went down, while others claimed it was intact? Does that mean we should conclude the Titanic didn't drown? :D Keep this in mind when reading the Gospels. The "contradictions" there are actually much more minor. I wouldn't even call them contradictions. You don't even need to be an inerrantist (which I am, by the way) to see that. If you get different people writing about the same thing, you're bound to get some differences in narratives for one reason or another. In fact, if you have different witnesses in court and they all give exactly the same description of an event, this would be a reason to get *suspicious*, not trusting.

Also, historians are often surprised by how strict the standards of skeptical biblical scholars are. When it comes to ancient literature, New Testament historical reliability is excellent according to pretty much all the relevant criteria: independent attestation, dissimilarity, embarrasment, etc. But if you watch the secular media, they'll give attention almost excusively to skeptics without even bothering to mention the debates actually going on in academia.

Here's one source you might find useful: Proofs of the Resurrection of Jesus - Mike Licona - YouTube
 
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Predestination and free will are contradictory concepts. Free will cannot exist if actions are predestined / predetermined.


A fallen world that God knew would happen. A fallen nature that God knew would exist. And yet He allowed them to happen despite being able to stop them from happening. Therefore, he is responsible for them.


I'm not mocking anyone. And I find your assumption that I have not sought God, as well as your constant accusations of blasphemy, offensive.
I am speaking the truth... IF you question the Omnipotence of GOD, you are blaspheming HIS Most Holy Character.

Secondly, HE predestines according to the LOGOS, which is HIS unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation.

Who do you think planted the tree in the Garden of Eden? Do you honestly believe that the GOD who is all knowing, did not know what would happen??? Do you really think HE is taken unawares? WOW!

The Fall of Man is a Plan, not an accident, predestined. And that is the LOGOS.

After conversing with you, it appears as though this truth is falling on deaf ears. So i won't continue to explain this any longer. No, you have not found the truth if you are questioning the Omnipotence of GOD.
 
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When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

People are going to Hell anyway. We go a few decades on this Earth and fail to learn anything. If anything artificially extended life would give you more time to contemplate things....right?
 
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You know what else was considered fiction less than 100 years ago? The internet that you currently use to type the word "fiction" on. Also, organ transplants. Also, antibiotics. Go back 200 years and we can add flying in a plane, driving a car, taking a photo and filming a video to the list of "fiction"al items.


Commands it or allows it? Did God command Satan to harm Job or did He allow it? Did God command the Romans to kill Jesus or did He allow it?


But this is not about what happens after death. This is about how to postpone death and increase longevity through technological means.
Avatar is a fantasy, a delusion. It is like cold fusion or extracting gold from sea water. I would not invest a dime in it. So far people have not been able to keep a brain alive apart from a body, much less keep it alive in a machine robot. A computer chip cannot think. A transplanted kidney will grow old and die. As many as one third of people over the age of 85 have Alzheimer's. It is a condition that leads to brain death. If you look at an elderly person, you can see the flesh withered. It is no longer young and strong. The flesh perishes, the spirit gives life.

A definition of avatar is: ...from Hindu Mythology. The descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.
 
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Well Revelation 9 does talk about a time where men will try to die, and wouldn't be able to (Revelation 9:1-6). I wouldn't bank on the 2045 thing, but I wouldn't knock out their motives either.

If anyone btw more understands Revelation 9 and can talk more about it, feel free. I don't wanna just quote stuff for the sake of.
 
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When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?
The worlds been immoral since before Adam and Eve left Eden.
1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46
"When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near;
2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36
"When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--and you become angry with them and give them over to the enemy, who takes them captive to a land far away or near;
Ecclesiastes chapter 7 verse 20
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.



1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.
 
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Well Revelation 9 does talk about a time where men will try to die, and wouldn't be able to (Revelation 9:1-6). I wouldn't bank on the 2045 thing, but I wouldn't knock out their motives either.

If anyone btw more understands Revelation 9 and can talk more about it, feel free. I don't wanna just quote stuff for the sake of.
I think we need to be careful anyway before singling out dates on the calendar in relation to future events in Scripture. We are told the events but not the exact dates.
 
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Well, technically, God did change his mind and attitude between the two Testaments. He also changed covenants. Who's to say that He has not changed His mind in regards to what He allows humans to achieve?

Also, this type of "immortality" that scientists talk about may not actually mean living forever, but rather just increasing our lifespan by a lot by making use of technology.

God has never changed his "mind" about anything.
 
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