Immortality by 2045?

[Brian Thomas]

When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

 

[Tolworth John]

Do you guys think this will happen?

In a word 'NO'.
There are tremendos problems in transferring human consiousness to a machine, largely because it is not understood.
There is also the question of cost, of the transfer cost, machine rental, bandwidith, power and maintenance. All in a space habitat which would put the cost beyound the reach of ordinary people.

 

[Lulav]

Remember what happened in the Garden of Eden, if God stopped Adam and Eve from living forever, don't you think he'll stop this as well?

 

[Daniel9v9]

When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

I know this is a typo: "But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner." but it's sort of fitting, for it's because we are immoral that we cannot be made immortal; that is, it's because of sin that we die. Only through faith in Jesus Christ will we have eternal life. Mankind will never be able to cure death by their own strength.

 

[1stcenturylady]

This almost sounds like Heaven's Gate where Applewhite convinced his followers to take poison to die so their souls could catch Hale Bopp comet on a spaceship. 1997 police found 39 bodies. Don't know about their souls...

 

[Goatee]

Pure fantasy.

 

[thetruth0]

When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

The error here is saying that you (the person is your consciousness) and that you, the consciousness can be transferred into an avatar. We are not the consciousness, we are the Spirit being. The Spirit being cannot be seen, or touched or transferred. What GOD has put together let no man put asunder.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Remember what happened in the Garden of Eden, if God stopped Adam and Eve from living forever, don't you think he'll stop this as well?

Well, technically, God did change his mind and attitude between the two Testaments. He also changed covenants. Who's to say that He has not changed His mind in regards to what He allows humans to achieve?

Also, this type of "immortality" that scientists talk about may not actually mean living forever, but rather just increasing our lifespan by a lot by making use of technology.

 

[thetruth0]

Well, technically, God did change his mind and attitude between the two Testaments. He also changed covenants. Who's to say that he has not changed his mind in regards to what he allows humans to achieve?

Also, this type of "immortality" that scientists talk about may not actually mean living forever, but rather just increasing our lifespan by a lot by making use of technology.

Do you realise what you just said?
You said GOD changed HIS mind? When? HE said HE is the same, yesterday today and forever. - that means that if HE changed HIS mind according to you, that this verse is a lie.

GOD calls death your enemy. HE doesn't want you to die, but that is not in becoming a machine either. HE brings the solution to death which is HIS message.

John 8:51-52
If a man keeps my sayings, he shall never see death.

Nothing has been changed, only misinterpreted.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Do you realise what you just said?
You said GOD changed HIS mind? When? HE said HE is the same, yesterday today and forever. - that means that if HE changed HIS mind according to you, that this verse is a lie.

GOD calls death your enemy. HE doesn't want you to die, but that is not in becoming a machine either. HE brings the solution to death which is HIS message.

John 8:51-52
If a man keeps my sayings, he shall never see death.

Nothing has been changed, only misinterpreted.

To be the same does not mean that He can't change His mind. It means that He is the same nature: good, loving, just. Are you not the same person after you've changed your mind about something?

And yes, God did change His mind several times throughout the Bible. He changed His mind when Moses asked Him to spare the Israelites after they started worshiping the golden calf and God wanted to annihilate them.

 

[thetruth0]

To be the same does not mean that He can't change His mind. It means that He is the same nature: good, loving, just. Are you not the same person after you've changed your mind about something?

And yes, God did change His mind several times throughout the Bible. He changed His mind when Moses asked Him to spare the Israelites after they started worshiping the golden calf and God wanted to annihilate them.

you don't realise that GOD is not a Man. HE is not a creature, HE is the creator. HE knows the end from the beginning! So you saying that HE changed HIS mind is questioning the very omnipotence of GOD. Furthermore, GOD is impregnable, that is to say HE cannot be moved to act.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

HE knows the end from the beginning!

Who's to say that there is only one end? Maybe there's an infinity of endings, just like scientists speculate that there are an infinity of parallel universes. Also, I don't think you know what "impregnable" means:



I don't know how you define "to change one's mind", but God definitely said He was intending to do something and then adapted His intentions to the requests of humans in The Old Testament.

Example: Exodus 32:14

 

[thetruth0]

Who's to say that there is only one end? Maybe there's an infinity of endings, just like scientists speculate that there are an infinity of parallel universes. Also, I don't think you know what "impregnable" means:



I don't know how you define "to change one's mind", but God definitely said He was intending to do something and then adapted His intentions to the requests of humans in The Old Testament.

Example: Exodus 32:14

Well in light of your response, i don't see why we should continue this discussion any further. You question the very GOD of creation, and HIS LOGOS by saying that HE can change HIS mind. There is a plan of Salvation, not many different endings. The plan is one way - the way,
There is one the truth - HIS message
There is one life - and the life.

It has always been this way. for the GOD to change HIS mind, you are saying that HE can make mistakes, which is a blasphemy against the Most Holy Character of GOD. Do you know what it means to be perfect?

 

[CrystalDragon]

When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

Easy answer: no one knows what happens when we die.

The only way we "know" about dying involving going to Heaven with Jesus is because of the Bible. And the Bible has many problems with it, both factually and morally, with contradictions even in accounts of the same story.

"Well, what about near-death-experiences?" you might ask. "People see the Father and Jesus and heaven all the time!" Yes, they do, except here's the thing: Those who are Hindus who have NDE see Hindu gods, rather than Jesus. If all NDEs are valid, it would mean that the Hindu gods are just as real as Jesus.

Plus, heaven as it is often portrayed.... seems kind of boring. An eternity in which your personality is overwhelmed by God's glory so you only want to worship him? Losing a huge part of what makes you "you"? Are you really "you" in that case, or just like an echo of your former self? And in any case, you'd never really eperience all the wonderful things that are being created by people in this world, or ever be able to go to see the stars and other planets.

So we really can't prove yet whether our consciousness exists after death. And that's a scary thing. It's a fear for a lot of people. It's a fear for me.

Now "uploading consciousness" is a sketchy thing for that reason, because we don't entirely understand how consciousness works yet. We don't know if such a process would truly work in transferring our consciousness or it would just create a copy that believes it's us and has memories of being us. Besides, technology can short-circuit and all that and then you'd die anyway.

So I don't think that "uploading consciousness" thing will ever happen because we're still learning about consciousness.

But if there was a way to be immortal that didn't involve that "consciousness uploading" thing, in which we could extend our lifespans indefinitely if we desired, as I assume there will be at some point in the future then I'd definitely take it. If people come up with a way to live forever that doesn't involve "uploadibng consciousness" sketchiness, I'll gladly take it.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Well in light of your response, i don't see why we should continue this discussion any further. You question the very GOD of creation, and HIS LOGOS by saying that HE can change HIS mind. There is a plan of Salvation, not many different endings. The plan is one way - the way,
There is one the truth - HIS message
There is one life - and the life.

It has always been this way. for the GOD to change HIS mind, you are saying that HE can make mistakes, which is a blasphemy against the Most Holy Character of GOD. Do you know what it means to be perfect?

How do we know it's God's Word though? To say "because the Bible says so" is circular reasoning that could work for literally any text, real/historical or not. Many of the things in the Bible relate tothe morality exhibited by the strictly patriarchal society at the time, such as God commanding the Israelites to kill everyone except the virgin girls to keep alive for themselves, to seize a wife if they see a girl they like, to not be punished if they beat a slave to death as long as the slave doesn't die right away, etc. And then, in the New Testament, that focuses on Jesus, and God the Father rarely appears, and both Jesus and the Father seem to do away with much of that.

Doesn't make sense for an omnipotent-unchanging God. Makes perfect sense for a tribal patriarchy who didn't know much and were primarily focused on how strong their particular group was.

 

[Adstar]

When we die, God gives us hope for all of us to be with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven one day.

But, the 2045 Initiative, 2045.com, will make sure humans will be immoral by 2045 or sooner. When you transfer your consciousnesses to an 'avatar' you will never die. They also plan to live in outer space and travel anywhere in the galaxy. If you are immoral, how are you going to go to heaven and see Jesus? There is just so many questions.

Here is their article of what they believe and what they are going to do:
Project 'Immortality 2045' - Russian Experience

Do you guys think this will happen?

Maybe:::: But i would not like to be one who cannot die..

Revelation 9: KJV
4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. {5} And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. {6} And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

for the GOD to change HIS mind, you are saying that HE can make mistakes

Why do you think that one has to make mistakes in order to be able to change his mind? Is it not possible for two different equally good alternatives to exist, case in which changing one's mind means choosing one of the alternatives and then replacing the choice with the second alternative? Is it not possible for a multitude of alternatives to exist, all of them being equally good?

If someone robs you, and first you decide to sue them, but then you change your mind and decide to forgive them and not sue them, does it mean that the initial decision was wrong? No. You were legally entitled to sue them. It was justice to sue them. It was not a bad decision.

But then you decide to forgive them and not sue them. Is this new decision bad? No. You are legally entitled to forgive someone that has wronged you if you want to. Both decisions are righteous.

The fact that you changed your mind from one to the other does not mean that you made a mistake.

 

[thetruth0]

How do we know it's God's Word though? To say "because the Bible says so" is circular reasoning that could work for literally any text, real/historical or not. Many of the things in the Bible relate tothe morality exhibited by the strictly patriarchal society at the time, such as God commanding the Israelites to kill everyone except the virgin girls to keep alive for themselves, to seize a wife if they see a girl they like, to not be punished if they beat a slave to death as long as the slave doesn't die right away, etc. And then, in the New Testament, that focuses on Jesus, and God the Father rarely appears, and both Jesus and the Father seem to do away with much of that.

Doesn't make sense for an omnipotent-unchanging God. Makes perfect sense for a tribal patriarchy who didn't know much and were primarily focused on how strong their particular group was.

Did GOD say these things? Or are you reading only whats written? Knowledge of GOD comes by the Spirit, and it is through the Spirit (the real you) that you know the truth. Thus knowledge of GOD is of the Spirit.

The issue is that what you read doesn't line up with the character of GOD, revealing that what is written was tampered with. Also, the Plan of Salvation, the LOGOS is coded, else lucifer and cohorts would be able to understand the plan.

What this means is that you cannot understand the truth with your brain, or interpret the WORD by your brain and that is what separates the wheats from the tares. That is why the GOD spoke to them in parables, because it was not given to them to know the secrets of the kingdom. Why? because they are not HIS sheep. - see the parable of wheats and tares.

The GOD has revealed HIMSELF in 3.
The era of GOD the Father
The era of GOD the Son
The era of the Most Holy Spirit.

And in each Era, there is an Elijah. This is the Son of Man who we are supposed to looking out for.

So, it is not because the bible says so, as it is being made painfully clear as true seekers are those that see that things are in error and there must be a restutioner. Which Elijah is that person that is the restitutioner.

Instead, everyone thinks that everything is as it should be, even though there are verses saying that it MUST be restored.

Malachi 4:4-6, Acts 3:19-23, John 16:12-15, Matt 17:11, Rev 10:7. Rev 18:4

Those that are content with the potrayal of their GOD in thier bibles, are those that are not seeking to know HIM. HE said seek, and ye shall find - not read your bible and you shall have found the truth. This was said by the GOD who knows the end from the beginning. HE knew what would happen, so HE said SEEK!

If you are a wheat, that is to say a child of HIS kingdom, then you will know HIS voice when you hear it. If you are not, then that "another voice"in Rev 18:4, will not be heard by you. because only HIS sheep know HIS voice and follow HIM.[/QUOTE]

 

[thetruth0]

Why do you think that one has to make mistakes in order to be able to change his mind? Is it not possible for two different equally good alternatives to exist, case in which changing one's mind means choosing one of the alternatives and then replacing the choice with the second alternative? Is it not possible for a multitude of alternatives to exist, all of them being equally good?

If someone robs you, and first you decide to sue them, but then you change your mind and decide to forgive them and not sue them, does it mean that the initial decision was wrong? No. You were legally entitled to sue them. It was justice to sue them. It was not a bad decision.

But then you decide to forgive them and not sue them. Is this new decision bad? No. You are legally entitled to forgive someone that has wronged you if you want to. Both decisions are righteous.

The fact that you changed your mind from one to the other does not mean that you made a mistake.

Again, you are comparing the Most Holy Character of GOD to a Man in the fallen nature. If you know the end from the beginning, and thus plan your course, what need is there to change your mind, except that you made a mistake in choosing your course? or found a better alternative which is revealing a mistake, or that the plan could be made better.

In all cases you are questioning the Most Holy Character of GOD, and blaspheming HIS name. GOD is not Mocked. truly, there should be reverence in the way we speak concerning the GOD of Creation. HE is perfect.

 

[HereIStand]

As one writer noted, we are more than our brains. What constitutes us, God created in His image, and maintains our lives, now and forever.
Those wanting to extend human life indefinitely can't agree on what constitutes the self, or if the self is just an illusion. In the movie Lucy, Scarlet Johansson plays Lucy who is able to slowly use all of her brain capacity. Lucy ask a scientist (Morgan Freeman) what she should do with her vast new knowledge. He notes that we are simply passing through time, and all we can do is pass on what we learn,

if you think about
the very nature of life,
I mean,
from the very beginning,
the development
of the first cell
that divided into two cells.
The sole purpose
of life has been
to pass on what was learned.
There was no
higher purpose.
So if you're asking me
what to do
with all this knowledge
you're accumulating,
I'd say
pass it on.
Just like any simple cell
going through time.

That's how live-forever technologists see our existence, but they want to establish control over an the emptiness of their bleak vision.