Immaculate Conception - Why Did It Take 1,854 Years to Discover This Doctrine?

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek a

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent i

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original texts,

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original texts, yet you

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original texts, yet you persist

 

[ScottBot]

I have shown you the original greek in this. It is Charitoo and the full is not even in there. He greeted her highly favored one. So this is a misconception. In all translations she is greeted as favored one or highly favored one. The greek translation from the Latin is in error. You have to take the original writing of this.

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original texts, yet you persist in your error.

 

[IamAdopted]

The original GREEK (not Latin) says kecharitomene, not Charitoo. You have been pointed this out but people fluent in Greek and familiar with the original texts, yet you persist in your error.

Tee hee and I disagree. I don't care how many times you post and repost. Same as you say that when Jesus spoke of Rock you put in an Aramaic word.

 

[ScottBot]

Tee hee and I disagree. I don't care how many times you post and repost. Same as you say that when Jesus spoke of Rock you put in an Aramaic word.

That is because Jesus spoke in Aramaic to His disciples.

 

[IamAdopted]

That is because Jesus spoke in Aramaic to His disciples.

But the Nt was written in greek. Not Aramaic

 

[ScottBot]

But the Nt was written in greek. Not Aramaic

So? What's your point. To get the context of what was said you have to look at the language that was spoken, not the language that it was translated to. Much context gets lost in translation.

 

[Axion]

The Greek word used by the angel is Kecharitomene, not charitoo. The root of this word is Charis, meaning Grace. The prefix Ke means that the grace was already perfectly present before the angel appeared. The suffix mene means that Mary was the recipient of this grace.

Now Charis can also be translated simply as favour. So Highly-favoured could be a conceivable translation - but this would only be acceptable if the word "favour" were used as a translation for "Charis" everywhere else in the New Testament. But THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. Even those bibles which translate "Charis" as Favour" when referring to Mary, translate it as "Grace" everywhere else. This is highly misleading because in the New Testament the word "Grace" has a particular meaning distinct from "Favour". In the New Testament "Grace" is a gift of God that saves from sin and its effects. So translating the word any differently is wrong. The correct translation is rightfully "Full of Grace".

 

[IamAdopted]

So? What's your point. To get the context of what was said you have to look at the language that was spoken, not the language that it was translated to. Much context gets lost in translation.

It was written in Greek. You cannot just take a word and change it to what you want it to be to make a theory work. You have to take the gospel as it was written and that is in greek. You translate from the greek. This is the difference. The word used to describe Peter is Petros and the word to describe the Rock the church was built is Petra. Two distinct words to make the meaning of the scripture the way it is to be read. Same with the Highly favored one.

 

[ScottBot]

It was written in Greek. You cannot just take a word and change it to what you want it to be to make a theory work. You have to take the gospel as it was written and that is in greek. You translate from the greek. This is the difference. The word used to describe Peter is Petros and the word to describe the Rock the church was built is Petra. Two distinct words to make the meaning of the scripture the way it is to be read. Same with the Highly favored one.

You may have to. I haven't handcuffed myself to a particular translation, but rather the living, breathing Word as it is transmitted from the Apostles through His Church.

 

[Rick Otto]

You say "as it is transmitted from the Apostles",... yet they chose Greek where you feel living & free enough to substitute Aramaic on assumption.

Interesting.

 

[ScottBot]

You say "as it is transmitted from the Apostles",... yet they chose Greek where you feel living & free enough to substitute Aramaic on assumption.

Interesting.

Did they speak Greek when they conversed with Jesus?

 

[IamAdopted]

Did they speak Greek when they conversed with Jesus?

and if they did? Who is to say they did not? I do know they wrote in greek.