Immaculate Conception - Why Did It Take 1,854 Years to Discover This Doctrine?

[ScottBot]

and if they did? Who is to say they did not? I do know they wrote in greek.

"They" the only one of Jesus' original 12 who is known to have penned his own writing is John. All of the others are thought to have employed secretaries. Luke wasn't even an Apostle, but rather a Greek physician and friend of Paul.

 

[IamAdopted]

"They" the only one of Jesus' original 12 who is known to have penned his own writing is John. All of the others are thought to have employed secretaries. Luke wasn't even an Apostle, but rather a Greek physician and friend of Paul.

Paul even endorsed His letters so they would know they were from Him. This is spoken of in scripture. Luke is one of the 12 Chosen by Christ.

 

[ScottBot]

Paul even endorsed His letters so they would know they were from Him. This is spoken of in scripture. Luke is one of the 12 Chosen by Christ.

I've searched all of the Scriptures and nowhere do I find Jesus calling anyone named Luke to be his Apostle.

 

[PassthePeace1]

Paul even endorsed His letters so they would know they were from Him. This is spoken of in scripture. Luke is one of the 12 Chosen by Christ.

News to me!

Let's see there's

1. Simon, also known as Peter

2. Andrew

3. James

4. John, son of Zebedee

5 Phillip

6 Bartholomew

7. Thomas

8. James, son of Alphaeus

9. Matthew

10. Simon the Canaanite..aka Simon the Zealot

11. Judas..aka Thaddues

12. Judas Iscariot

 

[Kepha]

16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
Jesus fulfilled the law by living the Law. For He walked among us and was tempted just as we are but was without sin. He was the only one without sin. The only one. This is why He could lay His life down for us as a spotless lamb. The lamb of God. For He was without sin. Inspired and grace are two different things. Gods Mercy endures forever.

Iamadopted. If that scripture proves that there was no Grace before Jesus then you will also have to say there was no Truth before Christ either which is not the truth. lol, that sounded funny.
Anyways, Jesus' Salvic Graces from the cross is conferred both past, present and future. If not then all who died before Him are in Hell which we both know isnt true. And these same Graces were applied to His beloved Mary, before She was Concieved. Amen.

 

[Rick Otto]

Did they speak Greek when they conversed with Jesus?

Did you say you handcuff yourself to the Word as " it is transmitted from the Apostles"?

Well, wasn't that in Greek?

 

[Kepha]

Are saying that you see Mary without the stain of original sin.. because Jesus was her saviour and redeemer?

Yes, Mary is 'Only' without the stain of Original sin because of Christ. He was Her Savior.

She was the New Ark for the Word made flesh. Her Fiat and continued life and obedience to God makes Her truly special. This is a Woman who carried Him in Her Womb for 9 months, clothed Him as a Child, nursed Him, bathed Him, picked Him up when he fell down, played with Him, laughed with Him and cried with Him. She was at the foot of the Cross, watching Him suffer and most likey suffering back as any mother would to see Her own child be mocked, humiliated, and beaten to death for all of us, including Her.

I will put enmity between you and the woman

Following the disobedience of our first parents in the Garden of Eden, God said, "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel." [Gen. 3:15]

The seed of the woman who will crush the head of the serpent is Christ, the woman at enmity with the serpent being the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Enmity: a state of deep-seated ill-will

 

[ScottBot]

Did you say you handcuff yourself to the Word as " it is transmitted from the Apostles"?

Well, wasn't that in Greek?

Written, yes. Orally, no. At least not initially.

 

[IamAdopted]

News to me!

Let's see there's

1. Simon, also known as Peter

2. Andrew

3. James

4. John, son of Zebedee

5 Phillip

6 Bartholomew

7. Thomas

8. James, son of Alphaeus

9. Matthew

10. Simon the Canaanite..aka Simon the Zealot

11. Judas..aka Thaddues

12. Judas Iscariot

Yup this is true. My apologies. Luke was A doctor.. I do have Human error So I do from the heart apologize. This still does not give Mary the same kind of Birth that Jesus had. For Mary is not the Ark of the new covenant. Jesus is. Grace and truth came through Jesus. Before we had Grace there was the Law. All men were held accountable to the Law. Held prisoner to the Law.

 

[ScottBot]

Yup this is true. My apologies. Luke was A doctor.. I do have Human error So I do from the heart apologize. This still does not give Mary the same kind of Birth that Jesus had. For Mary is not the Ark of the new covenant. Jesus is. Grace and truth came through Jesus. Before we had Grace there was the Law. All men were held accountable to the Law. Held prisoner to the Law.

Jesus IS the New Covenant. Therefore Mary has to be the Ark of the New Covenant.

 

[WarriorAngel]

It was written in Greek. You cannot just take a word and change it to what you want it to be to make a theory work. You have to take the gospel as it was written and that is in greek. You translate from the greek. This is the difference. The word used to describe Peter is Petros and the word to describe the Rock the church was built is Petra. Two distinct words to make the meaning of the scripture the way it is to be read. Same with the Highly favored one.

According to some history I picked up......
Matthew did in fact write the Gospel in Aramaic...but later translated it to Greek.

 

[PassthePeace1]

 

[IamAdopted]

Jesus IS the New Covenant. Therefore Mary has to be the Ark of the New Covenant.

Well what was the new covenant? His Blood. This is the new covenant. Mary did not carry the blood that was shed for the sins of men. Jesus did.

19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

 

[ScottBot]

Well what was the new covenant? His Blood. This is the new covenant. Mary did not carry the blood that was shed for the sins of men. Jesus did.

His whole life is the New Covenant.

 

[IamAdopted]

His whole life is the New Covenant.

His blood shed is what declares us Justifed. If it had not been for His shed blood there would be no salvation for man other than the Law. For this is why He came to live a Holy and blameless life so that He could lay down His life and shed His blood for the sins of mankind. To be our Spotless lamb and our new High priest.

 

[repentant]

"They" the only one of Jesus' original 12 who is known to have penned his own writing is John. All of the others are thought to have employed secretaries. Luke wasn't even an Apostle, but rather a Greek physician and friend of Paul.

Luke was one of the Seventy..

 

[repentant]

Paul even endorsed His letters so they would know they were from Him. This is spoken of in scripture. Luke is one of the 12 Chosen by Christ.

No he is not...he is one of the Seventy, Luke wasn't a Disciple...

 

[repentant]

According to some history I picked up......
Matthew did in fact write the Gospel in Aramaic...but later translated it to Greek.

This is one book that is said to possibly have been written in Arameic or Hebrew, because it was directed towards the Hebrew or Jewish people, as opposed to the Gentiles. This is why Matthew has more Prophecy than the other's.

 

[Kepha]

His blood shed is what declares us Justifed. If it had not been for His shed blood there would be no salvation for man other than the Law. For this is why He came to live a Holy and blameless life so that He could lay down His life and shed His blood for the sins of mankind. To be our Spotless lamb and our new High priest.

IamAdopted, I'm beginning to think you'll do or say anything to deny any possiblity of denying the Blessed Virgin Mary any honor, even take credit away from Christ cause mere blood is nothing without His wanting to die for us.

Anyways, if you want to continue to be so stubborn about it like you are with the translation of the word 'Grace' used in that verse, then yes, Mary also carried Christ's Blood in Her very womb. There is no way around it. She is the New Ark. The New Eve. She undid Eve's No that put us in this mess with a resounding Yes.

 

[sunlover1]

According to some history I picked up......
Matthew did in fact write the Gospel in Aramaic...but later translated it to Greek.

Yes, this is one theory, that it was
written in Aramaic.
They say this because Jesus and the
disciples did speak Aramaic, as well
as Greek, etc.

Here's an interesting article concerning
that idea.
And an excerpt here:

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]It seems to me that I should change what I believe to fit God's Word, rather than change God's Word to fit what I believe. Is a person allowed to throw out part of the Word just because it does not agree with his pet theory? If so, then another person can throw out something else. Before you know it, the Bible has been shredded.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]I am also bound by the only conclusion a reasonable person can make: the New Testament was written in Greek by its original[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]writers.[/SIZE]

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