im very confused about tithing because.....

[GaryArnold]

@NekaVon said, " Yes, according to the OT, we are suppose to tithe 10% of our EARNINGS. Food, etc. was tithe in the OT, because that is what their earning was."

Have you read Deut. 14:22-29? According to Deut. 14 they had markets to buy and sell their crops and animals. The Israelite farmers made their income from SELLING and/or barter-exchange of their crops and animals. They didn't tithe on this income. Wage earners did not tithe on their wages. God made it very plain that the tithe was on HIS increase of food from crops and animals and NOT on man's earnings. Even in Genesis Abram was RICH in MONEY.

@NekaVon said, "The NT doesn't speak about tithing, but yet, it doesn't say not to, either."

According to Hebrews 7:5,12,18 the tithe was DISANNULLED. How much plainer can it be said that tithing ended. What Paul taught was OPPOSITE to tithing. Tithing was required, yet Paul said giving should NOT be under compulsion.

Question for NekaVon: Which Biblical tithe are you doing? Please tell me. Are you following the First Tithe (Leviticus 27:30-33; Numbers 18), or are you following the Second Tithe (Deut. 14:22-27), or are you following the Third Tithe (Deut. 14:28-29)?

Fact is, NekaVon, you are following your own Pastor's tithing instructions and are ignoring what the scriptures say.

 

[All4HISglory]

At church a few weeks ago the pastor said...dont worry about paying your bills....tithe and god will bless you....he went on to tell a story about how he didnt pay a certain important bill and god blessed him with more money.........but i have a issue with that....what about if my baby(if i had one) needed diapers?....do i not buy diapers and tithe the last few dollars i have......i have researched the new testament and from what i find tithing is not required.....i think everyone should be giving.....but miss bills and not buy diapers or food? and god will bless u....why not pay your bills...buy the things you need to survive and take the extra and tithe that....give to a charity....a homeless person......am i wrong???? i need some input.

Hi. I haven't read through the entire thread but wanted to respond in hopes I can help.

Tithing is biblical regardless of OT or NT and should not be a decision on "if" you should tithe but rather "I have to tithe". We often hold up our own blessings by not being obedient to tithing. What I love about the scriptures in Malachi, is that it is the only place you will find God challenging you to test Him.

Tithes are important for the operation of the local church. Not only for the basic provisions of the "building" but also for the provision of the people that benefit from the local church in which they pay tithes to.

Main thing is that a tithe is a gift back to God of what He gifted us with. Out of the 100 that He gave, He only asks for 10% of it. That's not much when you look at the other 90%. What if it was reversed and a tithe was 90 instead of 10? How great of a challenge would that be! Lol.

I believe in tithing but I also believe in what is referred to as the 3T's.
Time, Talent & Tithe.
These are the ways in which God requires us to give. Some times you may be able to give all 3 and that is ideal, but other times you may only be in a position to give 2/3 or 1/3. God is pleased due the motive, intent and effort of the giving. You may have 0 income but give freely of your time to the local church cheerfully. You may not be able to physically attend services but at home you publish the newsletter and run the website, keep books etc.

In all things use wisdom. There is no wisdom in not buying diapers for a child or providing food to a family but giving all of your money in an offering.

There is also no wisdom in NOT paying tithes either. God says to test Him at this and see if He does not give back in good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over! As a tithe payer, I have never been in lack of necessities. God has always made away. And when I was disobedient to this, I saw the lack in many areas of my life.

Seek God about paying tithes and let Him reveal to you His purpose for it. He loves a cheerful giver and when you have understanding of it, you will be more apt to be obedient to it willfully and not begrudgingly.

Hope this helps.

 

[GaryArnold]

Tithing is biblical and should not be a decision on "if" you should tithe but rather "I have to tithe".

In all things use wisdom. There is no wisdom in not buying diapers for a child.

There is also no wisdom in NOT paying tithes either.

Then pay your tithes ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. NOT money. NOT from income. ONLY from God's increase of crops and animals raised on the Holy Land.

IF you think giving a tenth of your income to the church is paying the Biblical tithe, you haven't read your Bible.

I really feel sorry for all the church goers who have been deceived by their pastor.

ONE OF THE WORST CRIMES OF ALL TIME:
1 - It is done by pastors who are trusted to be honest and right, and done in the name of Jesus.
2 - It is legal only because the government (in the US) can't interfere with religious beliefs, and the pastor only need claim he is teaching his beliefs.
3 - It has spread world-wide and this crime has more victims than any other that I know of.
4 - Those who have been scammed almost always take sides with the scammer.
5 - It's a crime where the victim thinks he/she is the beneficiary, not the victim.
6 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victim falls for the same scam every week, week after week, month after month, year after year, and never even questions the scammer.
7 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that most church goers will yell AMEN!
8 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that most church goers believe their pastor is the best pastor around. Their pastor really knows the truth. They trust and believe everything he says.
9 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victims convince others to join in and be a victim like they are, all the time thinking they are the beneficiary.
10 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victim thinks they are robbing God if they don't comply with the scam.
11 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed it is very difficult to convince the victim that they have been a victim.

The crime? Pastors teaching that God requires Christians to tithe to the church. With tithing, the victim is so ignorant of the truth, they have no clue they've been a victim. And if and when the tithing scam victims realize they are victims, there is really nothing they can do about it. The scammer keeps the money.

 

[All4HISglory]

@GaryArnold

I'm sorry but I don't agree with that.

First just want to make mention that for me, it isn't the teaching from the Pastor but the Word of God and being led by His Spirit.

Deurt.14:22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

I see problem with thy seed being whatever it is that you work to produce. The seed is the work the produce is whatever the work brings about. I feel that God allows the increase of that seed and deserves a 10% of what was produced. He has the power to allow it to be produced or not.

I work to produce money so my 10% is money. If I was a farmer and my crop yielded wheat or corn etc. whatever I sold that season, God deserves the tenth of it.

Some may not agree but as I said, for me, being obedient to this principle in the way that I have, has been a blessing to me.

 

[All4HISglory]

Then pay your tithes ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. NOT money. NOT from income. ONLY from God's increase of crops and animals raised on the Holy Land.

IF you think giving a tenth of your income to the church is paying the Biblical tithe, you haven't read your Bible.

I really feel sorry for all the church goers who have been deceived by their pastor.

ONE OF THE WORST CRIMES OF ALL TIME:
1 - It is done by pastors who are trusted to be honest and right, and done in the name of Jesus.
2 - It is legal only because the government (in the US) can't interfere with religious beliefs, and the pastor only need claim he is teaching his beliefs.
3 - It has spread world-wide and this crime has more victims than any other that I know of.
4 - Those who have been scammed almost always take sides with the scammer.
5 - It's a crime where the victim thinks he/she is the beneficiary, not the victim.
6 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victim falls for the same scam every week, week after week, month after month, year after year, and never even questions the scammer.
7 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that most church goers will yell AMEN!
8 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that most church goers believe their pastor is the best pastor around. Their pastor really knows the truth. They trust and believe everything he says.
9 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victims convince others to join in and be a victim like they are, all the time thinking they are the beneficiary.
10 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed that the victim thinks they are robbing God if they don't comply with the scam.
11 - The crime is so carefully crafted and executed it is very difficult to convince the victim that they have been a victim.

The crime? Pastors teaching that God requires Christians to tithe to the church. With tithing, the victim is so ignorant of the truth, they have no clue they've been a victim. And if and when the tithing scam victims realize they are victims, there is really nothing they can do about it. The scammer keeps the money.

Although there are some scams out there against Believers; you are discrediting those who are led by the Holy Spirit and not by words that were spewed out of mans mouth.

If my Pastor told me to go rob a bank, I would not be stupid enough to do so just because he said it. I know for myself what I believe and do what it is that I believe true according to Gods word and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I understand this is how you feel but understand that others may feel and believe the complete opposite and have no problem with it. It doesn't make them ignorant.

 

[Maverick1]

Tithing: the fact is; since Tithing is a Biblical concept & term, then its like any contract, The Bible that is, The Author of it Reserves The Right to have it honored, without apology from the Author. If a person "Agees" initially to Abide by the rules & guidelines thereof, then how is it that one would attempt to argue its terms. Old & New Testaments mean Covenants, which is The Most Binding of All "Contracts" & "Agreements". The Gospels state that Jesus did NOT come to Abolish The Old Testament, But to Fulfill it, meaning; Finally there was One Person, A Man to Completely Adhere to it, whereas all others have failed to do because of sinful nature. He also stated in the parables (analogies) that The Kingdom of Heaven, is as a WISE Householder (Steward) that takes from Ihe Treaures thereof, Both Old & New. And mind you, Paul says A Steward Must be FAITHFUL In ALL Things. Jesus always refered to the Covenant(s). NEXT of all; Read your Bible & Study it, for yourself, in ALL Matters, especially re; Inherent Biblical Words, & Teachings. "Study to show yourself approved, RIGHLTY Dividing, (Interpreting & discerning) The Word of TRUTH, (in its Full Context)". II Timothy 2:15. The Holy Bible is its Own Dictionary, It Will Define all that its telling you & me & Us to do, etc. NEXT of all, I must readily admit, Ive SELDOM, If Ever, heard ANY Minister tell the Truth, The Whole Truth, & Nothing BUT The Truth, about TITHING, in particularly, especially in The Pulpit (Witness Stand) declaring; "In The Name of God" with The Holy Bible in their hand, with the other hand upon it (in both hands, holding it), let alone other matters at times. if indeed we believe that The Holy Bible, pure & simpe Is The Authorized, Infalliable & Inspired Word God, meaning ABSOLUTES, and it Is, then especially If any "Subscribe" to & Claim to being A "Believer", then I guess they had best know whats In The Contract to which they claim to. I could tell you my own Understanding Belief Conviction & Actions on The matter of Tithing, (or any matter for that matter), however, allow me to state, It is You or Any Individual (including Me) that shall be held Accountable; especially when Having access to &/or Owning A Bible, Accountable to either NEGLECTING to Read Study & Know what that Word states, Or; Having Diligently Researched & Researching it, both with Prayer & Gods Guidance. IGNORANCE therefore is NO Excuse. Also Doing or Not Doing, being obedient to it, or Disobeying it. its Your Call.

 

[GaryArnold]

Deurt.14:22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

You take a verse totally out of context to support your belief instead of looking at the whole meaning.

Now read the whole passage and you will see what to tithe, AND what you are to do with the tithe:

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
Deuteronomy 14:28 (KJV)
28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

It is plain to see the tithe was FOOD. Not money. Not from anyone's income.

This is exactly what pastors do. They take verses out of context and then convince you that it has a totally different meaning. Pure fraud.

 

[GaryArnold]

Although there are some scams out there against Believers; you are discrediting those who are led by the Holy Spirit and not by words that were spewed out of mans mouth.

If the Holy Spirit leads one to give a tenth of their income to the church, by all means they should give a tenth. But don't confuse that with the Biblical tithe. Giving a tenth of your income to the church has NOTHING to do with the Biblical tithe.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving much more than a tenth of my income.

 

[george baily]

Hi. I haven't read through the entire thread but wanted to respond in hopes I can help.

Tithing is biblical regardless of OT or NT and should not be a decision on "if" you should tithe but rather "I have to tithe". We often hold up our own blessings by not being obedient to tithing. What I love about the scriptures in Malachi, is that it is the only place you will find God challenging you to test Him.

Tithes are important for the operation of the local church. Not only for the basic provisions of the "building" but also for the provision of the people that benefit from the local church in which they pay tithes to.

Main thing is that a tithe is a gift back to God of what He gifted us with. Out of the 100 that He gave, He only asks for 10% of it. That's not much when you look at the other 90%. What if it was reversed and a tithe was 90 instead of 10? How great of a challenge would that be! Lol.

I believe in tithing but I also believe in what is referred to as the 3T's.
Time, Talent & Tithe.
These are the ways in which God requires us to give. Some times you may be able to give all 3 and that is ideal, but other times you may only be in a position to give 2/3 or 1/3. God is pleased due the motive, intent and effort of the giving. You may have 0 income but give freely of your time to the local church cheerfully. You may not be able to physically attend services but at home you publish the newsletter and run the website, keep books etc.

In all things use wisdom. There is no wisdom in not buying diapers for a child or providing food to a family but giving all of your money in an offering.

There is also no wisdom in NOT paying tithes either. God says to test Him at this and see if He does not give back in good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over! As a tithe payer, I have never been in lack of necessities. God has always made away. And when I was disobedient to this, I saw the lack in many areas of my life.

Seek God about paying tithes and let Him reveal to you His purpose for it. He loves a cheerful giver and when you have understanding of it, you will be more apt to be obedient to it willfully and not begrudgingly.

Hope this helps.

You should start at the beginning, your post only shows you believe what you have been told, and I might add your pastor would be very proud of how well you articulated an old covenant mandate.

 

[tackattack]

I guess I'll just cut and paste my opinion where this came up in another thread

Tithing: The OT Church was instructed to give 1 tenth (or tithe) of their first fruits for the suppot of the Levitical priesthood (Leviticus 27:30-33). The new testament gives us lots of reasons to give, but not a specific amount.
It tells us to give with a cheerful heart :
2 Corinthians 9:7
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
That it's not about how much, but how we give:
Mark 12:41-44
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a fraction of a penny. Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on."
That it should be in accordance with our salary:
1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made
That there's a whole lot more to offering to God than monetary offerings:
Romans 12:1
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship
And lastly, that we are blessed when we give:
Luke 6:38
Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Proverbs 11:24
One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty
And there is one example hat some use as an example for how the church should use and how we should view our offerings:
Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

I'm sure there are tons more verses in the Bible about giving and money, but these are the ones that speak to me the most.

 

[Maverick1]

I myself personally have not demonstrated to take Any verse out of context from The Holy Bible, (not saying you said I did), as you can see. Also I did Not state Where exactly that I stood on the matter other than The Bible itself, Next of all, you yourself quoted the scripture that says; MONEY. Translate WHATEVER means by which YOU obtain your Income, into Money, ie; Your Not a farmer, etc, then perhaps your a Mechanic or whatever, and Tranlslate ones Time, Effort, Contributive LABOR into MONEY, (wages,getting Paid), once again its DOES Say MONEY. What? Everyones supposed to be a Farmer, this aint the Old days like that, (although GODs Word Is Timeless), its About Being PRODUCTIVE, Producing. And what? Not supposed Obey in Money? See, thats the problem with this world in the first place, they might give ya about anything (else), BUT DO NOT ASK FOR THE MONEY!. Is it that Most People are SO Possessive and Defensive of "Their" Money?! Lets see, If one truly BELIEVES, that GOD Blessed them with That Job, etc. or whatever (Including Veg/fruit Harvest, Cattle, etc), then One would Not wish to SHOW A MERE Token of Appreciation for That, by simply Blessing GOD In Return with that token of Thanks-GIVING? Or is it that People just give "Lip-Service" to God, saying Thanks? Please. (<<emphasis added).

 

[Maverick1]

Heres a "joke" for ya. >> A person went to the Lord and said; "God, Please Bless Me with Three Cattle, male & female, and the other of Your Choice, so that I may have Livestock. And IF You Do, then I Promise, Pledge, Vow to Give YOU, the 1 of those 3 Cattle as Token of My Thanx, amen". WELL, next thing ya know, God did and answered his Prayer, thru a means chosen by God. The person, thereafter returned and reported to The Lord, and he said; "GOD, ya know that I got some good news & I got some bad news. The good news is; as youre aware, You Blessed me with those 3 Cattle, however the Bad news is; One of those Three Cattle took Sick, and well, Yours DIED".
Therefore, I think that as we ALL can see, ITS A TRUST Issue. BOTH, Are WE Trustworthy & Do We actually TRUST (in) Believe (in) God? THE WORD OBEDIENCE, may be a Hard-Pill to swallow for Most People. (btw; I must add, thats also Why only a very small percentage, also about 10%; interesting thats The Tithe Number btw, and remember THAT Part Belongs To GOD. That is 10% of The American Popultion in particularly have Ever SERVED In The US Armed Forces- Becuase The word OBEDIENCE ;ie; OBEY is a very "special" word, and it seems that only FEW are of The Breed to be able to Take-It). Ok, so let me say it like this; Use your dictionary. The Term Obey, simply means To COMPLY With. Now, now is the word Obedience, and that to GOD, so difficult to fathom? If ones Not Obeting God, then Theyre Dis-obeying God, its Not Multiple Choice, whether we like it or not. In reality therefore as I was saying; If one is Not Obeying God, then quite evidently Theyre Not COMPLYING With Him (In Accdordance). There ya go.

 

[Maverick1]

I dont know that theyre Discrediting The person in the pulpit. However IF The one in the Pulpit is giving The Truth, The Whole Truth & Nothing BUT The Truth, By The Holy Bible AND Youre Reading YOURS Along with that person, Then you might KNOW IF theyre telling you accurately or not. KEEP in mind One very important thing: You, I, We ALL are "Free-Moral-Agents", with A Will, that shall be held accountable for every Decision that we make. And WHATEVER Any person tells another on Any Matter, then their Telling, Is ONLY Worthy to be counted as a Mere Suggestion, Proposal For YOUR, My, or whoevers, CONSIDERATION. Which means, one is to Submit, whatever they say for Consideration, to be considered, thought upon, IN ORDER TO, and for one to Make a Decision, a clear decision, the right decision, therefore with accompanying actions, to whats PROPOSED. Just because theyre in the "pulpit" or ministry or whatever, does NOT give them the authority to DICTATE to You, nor me, nor anyone for that matter. We have the obligation to ourselves & the Right to properly Diseminate & Process (which takes some time) the Information that one is Transmitting. Yet our choices & decisions in Biblical Matters, which covers Every area of Life, must be done upon Biblical Knowledge that WE Have Gained.
NEXT of All, there is NO; "IF" God wants Us to Tithe. Look He either Does or He does Not, Hes Either Commanded it or He has Not. Lets Not attempt to make GOD Out to be INDECISIVE. Because, Im certain that HES SURE, re; whatever He Says. People, these are Eternal matters, I think that we all had best SETTLE them, like as of Yeste-rday(year, )before We Meet Our Maker.

 

[Maverick1]

I myself personally have not demonstrated to take Any verse out of context from The Holy Bible, (not saying you said I did), as you can see. Also I did Not state Where exactly that I stood on the matter other than The Bible itself, Next of all, you yourself quoted the scripture that says; MONEY. Translate WHATEVER means by which YOU obtain your Income, into Money, ie; Your Not a farmer, etc, then perhaps your a Mechanic or whatever, and Tranlslate ones Time, Effort, Contributive LABOR into MONEY, (wages,getting Paid), once again its DOES Say MONEY. What? Everyones supposed to be a Farmer, this aint the Old days like that, (although GODs Word Is Timeless), its About Being PRODUCTIVE, Producing. And what? Not supposed Obey in Money? See, thats the problem with this world in the first place, they might give ya about anything (else), BUT DO NOT ASK FOR THE MONEY!. Is it that Most People are SO Possessive and Defensive of "Their" Money?! Lets see, If one truly BELIEVES, that GOD Blessed them with That Job, etc. or whatever (Including Veg/fruit Harvest, Cattle, etc), then One would Not wish to SHOW A MERE Token of Appreciation for That, by simply Blessing GOD In Return with that token of Thanks-GIVING? Or is it that People just give "Lip-Service" to God, saying Thanks? Please. (<<emphasis added).

 

[tackattack]

I'm not sure to whom those 4 consecutive (one repeat) posts were directed towards Maverick. I too didn't state my position just showed scripture. I have no problems giving as much as I can of all my time, efforts and money back to God for His blessings in my life. I just strive to be closer to George Muller's example (well Jesus of course being the real example, but for a more attainable standard by which to gauge my level of trust and faith mueller will do).

 

[GaryArnold]

@ackattack said, "The OT Church was instructed to give 1 tenth (or tithe) of their first fruits for the suppot of the Levitical priesthood (Leviticus 27:30-33)."

You are confusing firstfruits with the tithe. Firstfruits has nothing to do with the tithe. The firstfruits were taken to the Temple for the priests while the tithe was taken to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities. See Nehemiah 10:37-38.

@Maverick1 - You still don't understand that the tithe God commanded came from HIS increase, not man's increase. It came from God's labor, not man's labor. You are listening to your pastor instead of studying the scriptures.

Deuteronomy 8:18 (NIV) - But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

God gives us the power, or ability, to get or produce wealth. In other words, God gives us the ability to work and earn a living. God gives us the ability to work - to labor. When we work, it is our labor doing the work, not God's labor. He gave us the ability to do the work ourselves.

The tithe never came from that ability that God gave to us.

The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus did not tithe as a carpenter. Paul did not tithe as a tent maker. Peter did not tithe as a fisherman.

While the tithe could NOT be money, the Temple tax HAD TO BE money.

The Bible CLEARLY SHOWS that the tithe ENDED at the cross in the Book of Hebrews. In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES. The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law. In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change. Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled. Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing. When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled. If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Those who argue they didn't have money or income then really need to study the scriptures. They had money and wages, even in Genesis. The farmers had income from barter exchanges, and they had markets to buy and sell as proven in Deuteronomy 14:24-26.

Those who argue Malachi 3:8, robbing God, need to start with verse 7. God is talking about His ordinances in Numbers 18 which we learned were disannulled according to Hebrews 7:18. Also, if you start with Malachi 1, you will see that God is speaking to the priests, not the people. The priests robbed God of the tithe (Nehemiah 13) and the priests robbed God of the offerings (Malachi 1).

 

[All4HISglory]

If the Holy Spirit leads one to give a tenth of their income to the church, by all means they should give a tenth. But don't confuse that with the Biblical tithe. Giving a tenth of your income to the church has NOTHING to do with the Biblical tithe.

Being Spirit led, I find myself giving much more than a tenth of my income.

I agree about giving more. I'm saying a tenth because we are talking about a tithe. Anything above that and outside of that is an offering. There is no limit to what one desires give.

I'm not confused between the 2. You take it one way, and I another. I appreciate your stance on it, I just don't agree on the matter.

I believe that God reveals His word. I am capable of reading and am aware that the word "income" is not in the Bible, but am yet Spirit led to tithe from my income according to the scriptures. Im not a puppet manipulated by a Pastor. I'm convinced within my own spirit.

~Jrs_Lovely1 {iPad}

 

[All4HISglory]

You take a verse totally out of context to support your belief instead of looking at the whole meaning.

Now read the whole passage and you will see what to tithe, AND what you are to do with the tithe:

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)
22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
Deuteronomy 14:28 (KJV)
28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

It is plain to see the tithe was FOOD. Not money. Not from anyone's income.

This is exactly what pastors do. They take verses out of context and then convince you that it has a totally different meaning. Pure fraud.

I have read the whole passage and many others many times.

I posted that 1 verse because it spoke about the "seed". My comment was regarding producing from the seed that is planted.

Again, I can appreciate your knowledge on the matter but we don't share the same belief regarding it. That's ok.

~Jrs_Lovely1 {iPad}

 

[All4HISglory]

You should start at the beginning, your post only shows you believe what you have been told, and I might add your pastor would be very proud of how well you articulated an old covenant mandate.

I'm not sure if this is a compliment or if you were being snarky? Either way, I believe in tithing and it's ok with me that others don't.

~Jrs_Lovely1 {iPad}

 

[GaryArnold]

I am capable of reading and am aware that the word "income" is not in the Bible, but am yet Spirit led to tithe from my income according to the scriptures. Im not a puppet manipulated by a Pastor. I'm convinced within my own spirit.
~Jrs_Lovely1 {iPad}

You say you tithe according to the scriptures. Please tell me which scriptures you tithe according to. You must be able to point out those scriptures if you are convinced you tithe according to the scriptures.