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Alpha-Omega
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You ask if I am "a person sincerely interested in truth"? Without any doubt! But, how do you define "truth", and what consists of this "truth"? What is the authority of this?
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Thanks for that. I appreciate it. What would be good would an option to unsubscribe from all posts one cannot respond to. Imagine you being presented with stuff you can't reply to. Wouldn't you find that frustrating? Irritating?
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Atheism is really a non starter, as it is a contradiction in reality. The fact that someone can call themselves and "atheist", must mean that there has to be a "God" there in the first place, for them to be able to deny this. Otherwise they are denying "nothing"!
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You quote Richard Dawkins? He is probably the most deluded person alive!
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Drivel. If you deny unicorns, leprechauns and elves, does that mean you acknowledge their reality?
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I look forward to your considered response to his piece. In the meantime, forgive me for considering that you have nothing but mindless denalism.
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There is a big difference. the ONLY reason that you deny the God of the Bible, is because you knew of His existence, and decided I don't really believe in that!
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You are becoming more and more incoherent. Sleep it off. I'm on CET. Let's take this up in a few more hours' time.
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You could not know of denying God, if you did not know about Him in the first place. He was there from the beginning of time, and it was only "in time", that some began to deny this. this denial is nothing but a rejection of Who God is, and what He says in His Word, the Holy Bible.
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Thank you for your admission that your mind is closed. Imprisoned. It's the first step to recovery.
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Hi Barry, this is what you told me at the start of this topic:
"Well technically, it is not a belief, but a lack of belief. But yes, I have not believed all my life. We usually all adopt the outlook of the family and social surroundings in which we are brought up. I am no exception."
You here admit that your own "atheism" is due to your "family and social surroundings in which we are brought up". This is what I am saying, that no person is really an "atheist", but rather "rejectors" of what the Holy Bible says about God. Because of events in one's life, and things that they experience in their lives, or see in others, like suffering, and the rise of heinous crimes, and the wickedness of people, they begin to "blame God", and say things like, "if there was a God, why all this suffering and evil", etc. This is really a rejection of Who God is, and what He says in the Bible, through a misunderstanding of the God of the Bible, that He really does care for and love people more than they could ever imagine.
"Well technically, it is not a belief, but a lack of belief. But yes, I have not believed all my life. We usually all adopt the outlook of the family and social surroundings in which we are brought up. I am no exception."
You here admit that your own "atheism" is due to your "family and social surroundings in which we are brought up". This is what I am saying, that no person is really an "atheist", but rather "rejectors" of what the Holy Bible says about God. Because of events in one's life, and things that they experience in their lives, or see in others, like suffering, and the rise of heinous crimes, and the wickedness of people, they begin to "blame God", and say things like, "if there was a God, why all this suffering and evil", etc. This is really a rejection of Who God is, and what He says in the Bible, through a misunderstanding of the God of the Bible, that He really does care for and love people more than they could ever imagine.
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Would that you wish I was confirming your twisted view of things! No. I was brought up with no impediment to understanding a world that does not include any gods. That that understanding does not raise the "problem of evil" is incidental. It is your problem, not mine.
You claim that your "God" says things in the Bible. This is an unsupported assertion.
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Hi Barry, Can I ask you if you believe in good and bad, right and wrong, morality and immorality? If so, what then is the basis of this, if not that which the Holy Bible teaches, which the world has adopted?
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They are products of evolution and emergent phenomena arising from the need for cooperation in social species. Just google "evolution of morality". There is a vast literature on the subject. I particularly recommend world-leading primatologist Frans de Waal's book, The Bonobo and the Atheist: In Search of Humanism Among the Primates: Frans de Waal: 9780393347791: Amazon.com: Books
He makes a case for religious teaching being the outcome, not the cause of moral sentiments.
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