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I'm not sure I'm a Christian anymore

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I went back to the local Lutheran church again today. The service was just average, the sermons never seem to be all that relevant and the music was terrible. But, I did get something out of receiving Communion. Maybe it's un-Lutheran, but that's the heart of the service for me, and the thing I missed the most.

Today was Pentecost and the pastor closed his sermon with the traditional Catholic prayer of the Holy Spirit. I wasn't really sure what to think of the church before then, I was quite on the fence... I've been away from the church so long and contemplating just living the rest of my life unchurched. It was almost as if something grabbed hold of me. A real enlightenment type experience. I can be sure now I'm a Christian, but not in some kind of intellectual way, it's just something I feel in my heart. I'm not some freak, there is nothing wrong with me, I'm just having the experience of living in a profoundly confusing world and trying to do the right thing. I just needed to hear it from God himself.

Another thing positive... people said they missed me. Even the pastor, he called me an "old friend". I've never had an experience like that at any other denomination. I've gone to Orthodox and Episcopal churches where I never really felt missed in my absence, or my presence appreciated, despite being a regular attendee.

That stuff is really important to me, to go some place and to be treated like you are somebody valuable. I have a horrible struggle with a fierce inner critique. Sometimes I can't argue my way out of it, even if I wanted to. It just beats me up with inadequacy. I don't believe Christians always grasp this, especially those from conservative backgrounds. There are alot of spiritually abused people out there. God and the Church can just become another voice in your head telling you you don't measure up.
 
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I went back to the local Lutheran church again today. The service was just average, the sermons never seem to be all that relevant and the music was terrible. But, I did get something out of receiving Communion. Maybe it's un-Lutheran, but that's the heart of the service for me, and the thing I missed the most.

Today was Pentecost and the pastor closed his sermon with the traditional Catholic prayer of the Holy Spirit. I wasn't really sure what to think of the church before then, I was quite on the fence... I've been away from the church so long and contemplating just living the rest of my life unchurched. It was almost as if something grabbed hold of me. A real enlightenment type experience. I can be sure now I'm a Christian, but not in some kind of intellectual way, it's just something I feel in my heart. I'm not some freak, there is nothing wrong with me, I'm just having the experience of living in a profoundly confusing world and trying to do the right thing. I just needed to hear it from God himself.

Another thing positive... people said they missed me. Even the pastor, he called me an "old friend". I've never had an experience like that at any other denomination. I've gone to Orthodox and Episcopal churches where I never really felt missed in my absence, or my presence appreciated, despite being a regular attendee.

That stuff is really important to me, to go some place and to be treated like you are somebody valuable. I have a horrible struggle with a fierce inner critique. Sometimes I can't argue my way out of it, even if I wanted to. It just beats me up with inadequacy. I don't believe Christians always grasp this, especially those from conservative backgrounds. There are alot of spiritually abused people out there. God and the Church can just become another voice in your head telling you you don't measure up.

from the other side of the coin, I can relate to this.^^
the place where i felt most secure, now i do not.
I feel hunted.
there is a target on my back as a Christian.
in a world that is rapidly becomming un-Christian,
places that were rock solid are becomming like shifting sands;
bending to the winds of popular change.

Where will it end I wonder.
As Jesus said, when He comes back will he find any left alive?
 
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Thanks for the well-meaning support, especially from G&P and Hedrick. I was just going through a tough time. I had become disenchanted with going to church and I was dealing with a lot of anger, so I took up playing airsoft on Sundays instead. I wanted some exercise, to meet people, and have some fun.

I got exercise and had some fun, but I'm starting to realize at age 40 there's only so much fun you can have before your body just gets tired (esp. playing in Florida's weather) and you just don't have the speed or endurance you used to. It's also potentially a huge money hole (some players spend thousands of dollars on guns and equipment- some of the higher end guns really hurt to get hit with too). I bought a few junker guns and repaired them just because I don't have hundreds to spend on the hobby, so I always was dealing with the feeling of inadequacy there too. It's hard to run away from that, especially because an honor-bound game that I thought was just about having some fun (It's not hard to cheat after all) turned out to be overly competitive when people actually play it (I once witnessed a fist-fight on the field, and that was a bit of a shock). And I discovered the socializing aspect is just as problematic as the rest of our society now days (people are way more self-absorbed than they were twenty years ago).

I discovered what I missed about going to church. People that more or less just accept you, even if you can't agree with them completely (the pastor at the church is fairly conservative by ELCA standards) and even if they are not perfect. I'm so cynical I just didn't see the love and acceptance I guess. I still plan to play airsoft once in a while, on Saturdays or after church on Sundays, but I think I'm done being disenchanted with Christianity. It's not perfect, but the alternatives to do on a Sunday morning are highly overrated.

I also think I have a new faith in God... he's been there all along, speaking to me in ways I didn't always notice.

I think I could really benefit from some good Christian friends. Most people in the local church are not our age, or in our life situation. Neither of us works (I'm applying for social security, a very long process), though my partner is looking for a job (she's really more like a wife to me, but we can't marry for financial reasons). But it's difficult because she's legally blind. We live in a working-poor part of town and walk everywhere, and we either have to bum a ride or ride the bus to most places.
 
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Just wanted to say thanks for sharing the story of both the struggle and the conclusion @FireDragon76

My own identity crisis seems to have taken a turn towards Christianity in last half year or so. It's still a bit shaky tho and I'm open for either outcome, Christianity or something else. But right now it's making more sense to me to call myself a Christian than not.

I might go a bit more into detail in some place else, not intending to hijack the thread.
 
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I might go a bit more into detail in some place else, not intending to hijack the thread.

I would be curious to hear more about your journey just because we don't get a lot of perspectives from that part of the world.
 
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I would be curious to hear more about your journey just because we don't get a lot of perspectives from that part of the world.

I posted this last week I think. Please note it's in Singles - board (I posted it there because it's the place in where I know some people) and if you're married you're not allowed to post there:

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/im-a-christian-now-i-think.7949932/

I have a past as a Charismatic Christian, but for 5 or so years, I was exploring Neopaganism while still holding to my Christian spirituality at the same time. During last year I came to a conclusion that I'm likely not becoming a Pagan, and as a result I've made some sort of reconnection with my Christian past. But, it's all very messy and complicated.

If you're looking for a typical Scandinavian religious story, that's not me tho. Most people here are not religious at all. The region is very secular and most people are something like agnostics. My habit of being religiously adventurous is somewhat untypical for a Scandinavian.
 
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I've talked to a few Swedish Christians before and they seemed to suggest a lot of people believe in a "Vague Something" but that's about it. They didn't seem to think atheist was quite the right word. But I definitely got the impression that people in that part of the world are for the most part, religiously indifferent. That's why I was curious to hear your story.

You might want to explore Lutheranism, Orthodox Christianity, or Roman Catholicism. If you were interested in Neopaganism, that might appeal to you. The part of the world you are in, that's the predominant type of liturgical church. Most neopagans seem to look for a spiritual affirmation of being embodied and recognizing the worth of the material world, as well as the value of sensory experiences and routine habits in shaping us spiritually. You will find that also expressed, to one degree or another, in Christian churches that have an incarnational theology.

I just suggest that because at one time I was a practitioner of Buddhism. And while I took the teachings seriously, I was not the cerebral type packaged for western consumption. I was into the "pagan" aspects of it, and how it could be practically lived out. I believe that's why, when returning to a Christian faith, I was interested in liturgical, sacramental churches.
 
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I've talked to a few Swedish Christians before and they seemed to suggest a lot of people believe in a "Vague Something" but that's about it. They didn't seem to think atheist was quite the right word. But I definitely got the impression that people in that part of the world are for the most part, religiously indifferent. That's why I was curious to hear your story.

Yes, that's about right. Finland has a bit stronger Lutheran tradition than Sweden does, so tone Sweden a couple notches towards Lutheranism, and that's Finland.

Atheist is indeed not the best word to describe average Scandinavians. It's not that people are anti-religious, but rather they have very distant relationship to organized religion. About 75% of Finns are members of the Lutheran church, but only 2-4% attend any religious service weekly. For comparison, weekly attendance in US is about 40%.

You might want to explore Lutheranism, Orthodox Christianity, or Roman Catholicism. If you were interested in Neopaganism, that might appeal to you. The part of the world you are in, that's the predominant type of liturgical church. theology.

Your advice would be very good if only I hadn't already done that ;)

Catholicism doesn't really resonate with me, but during my religious messy years, I've spent time researching Eastern Orthodox Christianity. At one point I contemplated giving it a try, but I'm too much turned off by the "church authoritarianism" of that tradition. I appreciate the tradition of mysticism in Eastern Orthodoxy tho, and the writings of their mystics and EO hagiography has been part of my favorite readings for years.

Lutheranism in Finland is a story of it's own, because it's dominated by the state church.

Most neopagans seem to look for a spiritual affirmation of being embodied and recognizing the worth of the material world, as well as the value of sensory experiences and routine habits in shaping us spiritually. You will find that also expressed, to one degree or another, in Christian churches that have an incarnational

I just suggest that because at one time I was a practitioner of Buddhism. And while I took the teachings seriously, I was not the cerebral type packaged for western consumption. I was into the "pagan" aspects of it, and how it could be practically lived out. I believe that's why, when returning to a Christian faith, I was interested in liturgical, sacramental churches.

I see what you mean, and it's true there is a ritualistic element in Paganism. However, in my case, I wasn't so much attracted to that part of the religion. What sparked my interest in it, was a mystical experience which I couldn't explain in Christian context then. "A meeting with a nature spirit" would be the best way to put in words what happened to me. That combined with meeting some people who practiced types of spirituality which are recognized in Neopaganism, made me interested in it in first place.

So, in my case it was more about search of a spiritual part which recognizes the spiritual side of the nature. "Interest in nature-based mysticism" would maybe be a good way to put it? Over the time I learnt to appreciate other elements of Paganism, but the experiential spirituality is what attracted me to it.

I'm drawn to experiential spirituality generally, and I already know that Christianity has rich tradition of mysticism, so I believe there are plenty of places to look into for me.
 
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About 75% of Finns are members of the Lutheran church, but only 2-4% attend any religious service weekly. For comparison, weekly attendance in US is about 40%.

Russian Orthodox are largely the same way- high membership, very low attendance. I think participation is probably a bit higher, in things like prayer or devotion, but not much higher in attendance.

I suspect more than a few Americans bend the truth when asked how often they go to church. But it's true we are a much more churchgoing nation.

I'm drawn to experiential spirituality generally, and I already know that Christianity has rich tradition of mysticism, so I believe there are plenty of places to look into for me.

OK... I can see why you would be from a charismatic background. Though that tends to be short on mysticism and its more about ecstatic type experiences. You would find that sort of thing in the US in certain Episcopalian parishes, there is also a tradition of that in Anglicanism.

You might also want to check out this book, it is about the mystical side of Luther: http://www.worldcat.org/title/theol...n-the-theology-of-martin-luther/oclc/50982242
 
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OK... I can see why you would be from a charismatic background. Though that tends to be short on mysticism and its more about ecstatic type experiences.

Modern charismatic movement is kind of interesting story in history of mysticism. It lacks the contemplative side of classic mysticism, but has the experiential side of it.

While I still have plenty of sympathy for Charismatic Christianity, and over my life I've got to know plenty of great Charismatic Christians, I feel like the movement as a whole is prone to fanaticism and well, just a bit too whacko. For me, charismatic meetings are good places to visit now and then, but usually not healthy influence to stay there in long run.

I think narrow-minded fanatisicsm and experientialism can be a very toxic combination. In my opinion, openness for experiential spirituality should come with a healthy dose of peaceful contemplative spirit instead of hype. Well, maybe this could make a good topic for a thread of it's own?

You might also want to check out this book, it is about the mystical side of Luther: http://www.worldcat.org/title/theol...n-the-theology-of-martin-luther/oclc/50982242

For the detail, back in times I went to a Lutheran Bible school for a couple of months. Given the Lutheran influence here, I'm pretty familiar with Luther and over the years I've seen him quoted in and out of context ad nauseam.

Luther had intense mystical side to his personal spirituality, but his theology as a whole is hardly that of a mystic, quite opposite.
 
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Yeah, you might need to start another topic. I'm not sure what your expectations are . Aside from Quakers, there are no purely contemplative Christian churches or traditions. Even among the Quakers, it would be a mistake to equate it with pure mysticism (many Quakers don't even view themselves as mystics now days).
 
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Yeah, you might need to start another topic. I'm not sure what your expectations are . Aside from Quakers, there are no purely contemplative Christian churches or traditions. Even among the Quakers, it would be a mistake to equate it with pure mysticism (many Quakers don't even view themselves as mystics now days).

I'm realist enough to not expect to find a denomination which is 100% made of devout mystics. As long as seeking mystical experiences is accepted, and not frowned upon, I'm fine. If that is the case, I can likely find people with whom I can connect with etc.

I view mysticism to be somewhat personal or private thing, and it doesn't necessarily suit well for the role of "let's make a mystic-church". There is a huge risk of it becoming something superficial in the process.
 
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I mean, I'm baptized but... I'm not sure I really believe. Going to church just doesn't interest me, and I don't believe in a God that has churchgoing as a mandate for my life. I'm not even sure anymore what God I believe in.

I suppose I've arrived at this place realizing I have a lot of disgust. Politically, I don't fit in with either left or right. I believe strongly in civil liberties, I'm anti-authoritarian and don't believe in telling people what is the best way to live, because I believe those sorts of questions are best answered by the individual. I'm very unhappy with how Christians have handled the LGBT issue- it goes against my live and let live attitude, and my sensitivity towards my fellow human beings.

Most of all, I believe in compassion- that is my measure of somebody's morality, and I'm not sure this is really a Christian value at the end of the day. Compassion is more important than all the creeds in the world, and I'd mark somebody as closer to the Kingdom who had it, than somebody of faith who did not. I don't see many Christians willing to go the extra mile to understand somebody different from them. I see a lot of worship of religious tradition and orthodoxy over caring about real human beings.

We really don't know God, he's an incomprehensible mystery. The classical western theology is absurd, even ridiculous, and can't be taken seriously by intelligent people. Believing in an all-powerful benevolent God is simply absurd. This is properly the "Hidden God" spoken of by Luther. The God that brings anxiety rather than comfort, or more often, delusional projections (the angry God of many authoritarians). God is hidden and not seen. So, how can you love the God you don't see when you don't love the brother you do see? (the whole point of James passage is relevant, denouncing religiosity for its own sake) So the way I see it, Christians, as followers of Jesus, should be a humanistic religion more like Confucianism or Taoism, with God and his will left a mystery, and focused on the human predicament.
Hello, I see the struggle you have had, and that you aren't wanting to fall away, so I would like to offer some help for you to consider.

There is quite a few things that contribute to the problems of the world today, concerning Christianity:

1. False Gospel
2. Sinful Teachers
3. Media influence
4. Separation of Church and State
5. Apostasy of the Church
6. Loveless Society

1. False Gospel

The first attempt to covet The Kingdom of God happened in the garden of Eden. Soon after the flood, the tower of Babel. After Moses, Israel could not remain pure. Matthew 21:33-46 describes a final push, by destroying The Messiah. John 1:12 shows that God had another solution, by transferring the kingdom to those worshiping by virtue of faith rather than race. Yet in the world is still the heart that placed Jesus on the cross, the widespread opposition to God, especially those fearing eternal condemnation. Luke 19:14 shows us that His kingdom has again been coveted. One consequence of this, is a falsification of the authentic gospel. Christians largely are not properly informed of the dire consequences of the covenant they are entering before they enter it, and they aren't equipped by good follow-up training [1,2]. We must be perfectly repentant [1,2], yet the vast majority of churches teach that salvation is a free gift. Furthermore, a serious, concerning amount of effort goes toward teaching that we need not do anything for it. Why?

2. Sinful Teachers

God does not teach untruths. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth. Jesus Christ is The Truth [1], therefore when someone who claims to listen to The Holy Spirit yet they are ignoring the truth of their sin, then they are not listening to The Holy Spirit. They are listening to some counterfeit, unholy spirit [1]. It happens a lot on this website, because of internet anonymity, lack of real accountability [1]. But it happens in churches plenty too.

3. Media Influence on Christians

Consider that the average Christian might sit in church for 30 minutes each week, listening to a preacher teaching from the bible. Every other day, they may spend 2 or more hours a day watching TV, and hours a day listening to radio, observing behaviours, ideas, attitudes that are inherently ungodly. TV soaps use catty behaviour that teach people's behaviour to be catty. Sex is heavily promoted: curves, skin, fashion, makeup, homosexuality, promiscuity, suggestive noises etc, tempting frequently, teaching that it is weird to be prudent. Jesting, mockery of Christian principles; fear-mongering; biased news; materialism; compliance; illusion of the real world. It is a tool of mass-influence and is no-way inclined toward God's interests. Music too, whereas music of the 1980's and earlier had deep, thought-provoking lyrics, 1990's onward is shallow and materialistic.

4. Separation of Church and State

Not only the media is devoid of godly representation, but God's interests are deliberately kept out of mandatory school curriculum. Schools conduct an atheist position, religion is optional and fringe, there is negative stigma toward those who opt-in, consequently the majority of people are not taught vital necessary information for their spiritual well-being. God's interests have no representation or consideration in government policies eg environment, poverty, economy, healthcare, war, etc etc. Church is powerless against the state because majority of population these days support atheist or non-Christian agenda, because they have been groomed into sinful lifestyles by media influences and are slaves to their sin, or they have been afflicted by so-called Christians acting ignorantly with hate and hypocrisy against them, condemning them without good cause. The holy church exposes sin [1], therefore it is hated, and hated by violent ones [1,2]. It is also out-numbered, a house divided against itself, and held ransom for tax exemption [1,2]. Plus, remember, it has lost the gospel and fallen into apostasy and sin [1,2].

5. Apostasy in the church

John 12:35
Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Acts 20:29
I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Luke 19:14
“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

Matthew 13:27-28
So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’

6. Loveless Society

We have become a culture always wanting instant gratification. We don't save for that special thing, we increase our debt. We don't wait three seconds for a website to load, we click on the next link. Everyone is expected to carry a phone and to answer immediately. Just think before the phone, a messenger would walk up with a smile, or even we would pay a personal visit to deliver a message. It would have been a delightful pleasure, let's make a cup of tea. These days communication is demanding, as are customers and clients. Coffee breaks are strictly measured. People work for the money, not for the job, and spenders believe that money entitles them. Laws/rules as mechanical solutions are drawn up compulsively to try and pigeon hole everyone, to automate people like clockwork. Nobody with authority is allowed to act with consideration, but they must apply policy exactly as prescribed. Etc, etc, it is a heartless, impersonal, money-focused society. The love is wholly lost in society, because everyone acts only for their self interests. Democracy fails because people are afraid to ask the questions that will force politicians to admit their corruption. The legal system tolerates injustice when technicalities force them to permit (IOW, the point of the law is forsaken because of technical deficiency in the law's description**). Therefore the justice system does not simply assess right and wrong, but skill of representation.

** Note: this is interesting too, that when God writes the law on our hearts and we are not bound to follow the written code. Because life is too vast and flexible for a written law to be perfectly comprehensive, but the law works perfectly in the form of idea. God's law is impartial, righteous objective morality [1].

Matthew 24:12
Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.

1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

John 14:7
If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!”

1 John 3
See how very much our Father loves us, for he calls us his children, and that is what we are! But the people who belong to this world don’t recognize that we are God’s children because they don’t know him.

1 John 2:19
out of us they went forth, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but -- that they might be manifested that they are not all of us.

Romans 1:28-31
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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The problem being that Christianity has not sustained it's integrity the way that the original apostles of Jesus Christ first established [1,2,3]. There is clear historical explanation for this.

Thus, we have you here, not being aware of all this, and looking in disgust at the vast disarray and inconsistency among churches of what you know in your heart the truth really is. Of course, if someone was not to explain how this has all happened, your natural conclusion should be to doubt. But when you know this, maybe you will have a different attitude.
 
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I mean, I'm baptized but... I'm not sure I really believe. Going to church just doesn't interest me, and I don't believe in a God that has churchgoing as a mandate for my life. I'm not even sure anymore what God I believe in.
Water Baptism really hasn't anything to do with your belief or being a Christian.
What makes you think you were a true "Born Again" Christian to start with?
 
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