im no longer a christian... anyone understand?

[peepnklown]

Endure, remember what you have been taught since childhood. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 2Timothy 3:14-15

Chase after the Christ in Whom you put your faith and not after this humanist inspired "do it yourself mentality" that's being fed.

Yeah, chase after an invisible being rather than rely on yourself. I mean why take responsibility for yourself when your invisible father will take care of you. Why even think at all?

 

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I mean why take responsibility for yourself when your invisible father will take care of you.

Christianity is based on taking responsibility for yourself and for your own actions, so your comment here has no foundation whatsoever.

In order to become a Christian one must admit that they are a sinner, that they need to ask forgiveness of their sins, and that they accept the blood of Christ as a final sacrifice for their sins. In doing so, one does not suddenly become no longer responsible for themselves. We are always responsible for our choices in life. We are always responsible for how our choices affect others. Your sin was your choice. My sin was my choice. I choose to sin. So do you. Honestly, it's nearly impossible not to sin, as we have a sin nature passed down from Adam and Eve. There were 2 men who were taken from the earth, prior to Jesus sacrifice, who were blameless in the eyes of God. Jesus was sinless because Jesus is a part of the Holy Trinity of God and always has been. The rest of us poor slobs are too weak to the flesh, to stand up to sin. So yes, we need Jesus blood to repeatedly ask for forgiveness. It's a daily thing.

Why even think at all?

I was about to ask you the same, after that statement.

 

[peepnklown]

Christianity is based on taking responsibility for yourself and for your own actions, so your comment here has no foundation whatsoever.

Christianity is not based on taking responsibility for yourself; if it was then God wouldn’t need to send Jesus to take responsibility for all sin.

 

[peepnklown]

Christianity is based on taking responsibility for yourself and for your own actions, so your comment here has no foundation whatsoever.

In order to become a Christian one must admit that they are a sinner, that they need to ask forgiveness of their sins, and that they accept the blood of Christ as a final sacrifice for their sins. In doing so, one does not suddenly become no longer responsible for themselves. We are always responsible for our choices in life. We are always responsible for how our choices affect others. Your sin was your choice. My sin was my choice. I choose to sin. So do you. Honestly, it's nearly impossible not to sin, as we have a sin nature passed down from Adam and Eve. There were 2 men who were taken from the earth, prior to Jesus sacrifice, who were blameless in the eyes of God. Jesus was sinless because Jesus is a part of the Holy Trinity of God and always has been. The rest of us poor slobs are too weak to the flesh, to stand up to sin. So yes, we need Jesus blood to repeatedly ask for forgiveness. It's a daily thing.





I was about to ask you the same, after that statement.

You bring nothing to the table, all you have is the same message copy & pasted again and again with no actual thought of your own.

 

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You bring nothing to the table, all you have is the same message copy & pasted again and again with no actual thought of your own.

What on earth are you talking about? Those are my words. I typed them all out in response to what was said. Copied and pasted from where? Have you lost your marbles again?

 

[peepnklown]

What on earth are you talking about? Those are my words. I typed them all out in response to what was said. Copied and pasted from where? Have you lost your marbles again?

No dept at all.

The message you typed is the same copy & pasted message that all literal Christians type and it brings nothing to the table. (It does not mean you copy & pasted it)

The discussion is about a person who isn’t a Christian anymore and wants to know if someone has a similar story.

Instead of talking to the person you rant the same message about Jesus is love and blah, blah blah, God loves you.

The person doesn’t believe anymore, and doesn’t want your copy & pasted message.

 

[justin88]

Just a little something:

You have all the right to feel the way you do. Even jesus did. Hang in there man.

 

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No dept at all.

No what?

The message you typed is the same copy & pasted message that all literal Christians type and it brings nothing to the table. (It does not mean you copy & pasted it)

That is a lie.

I typed that word for word, from my own heart, my own mind. What more could I expect from you.

Psalms 120:2, "Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue."

 

[justin88]

Maybe, but I don't feel as though I have been brainwashed or mislead. Doesn't matter how I say it, or what I am feeling-- nothing happens.. I have never felt God, like real Christians have. It's depressing, and I feel I am the only one not getting it.
However, I know my heart and I care more about me than him; that is my sin, and it keeps me from him. Have I fixed it? Nope. Don't really know how. I am a false convert or a backslider; Christianity is for people that can let go of all there 'me' stuff, because it's not about us at all.
I am certain He is angry at me. The bible says so. The bible also says only a wicked generation asks for a sign; so I've screwed up there as well.
I know there is nothing I can do to be saved, I wish there was, but my works are nothing.
I have had similar thoughts and feelings. I'm not giving up yet though; perhaps I should, I have heard that it is when we finally give up trying that God steps in, but I don't know..

I do think there is still hope though, for me and you. There is ALWAYS hope.
okay, my sensless ramblings are over.

You can fix this problem of yours. I deal with addictions that I have a hard time doing anything about but you have to put faith and god and in yourself. If you don't believe in yourself that this will leave you than how will you ever be able to take the initiative to remove it? Dare to trust God.

I respect you so much. The bible says whenever everything seems completely hopless, still belive and thats exactly what your doing. God has his plan for you, just give him some time. I waited and about 4 weeks ago was when he finally showed me who he was.

 

[justin88]

peepnklown, your the one who brings nothing to the table. Endure is looking for hope and hope isn't what your giving him.

If my memory proves to be clear, atheists don't believe in hope. they don;t believe in anything. You have a faith in the fact that there is no God. Am I correct?

(I apologize if my wording is offensive.)

 

[peepnklown]

peepnklown, your the one who brings nothing to the table. Endure is looking for hope and hope isn't what your giving him.

If my memory proves to be clear, atheists don't believe in hope. they don;t believe in anything. You have a faith in the fact that there is no God. Am I correct?

(I apologize if my wording is offensive.)

You are spreading misinformation.

You are incorrect in your definition of Atheists.

Atheists can have hope, hope isn’t a supernatural being.

Atheism is not a belief in nothing.

I do not have faith that there is no God; I do not make a claim that there is no God.

I say that there is NO EVIDENCE for the Judeo-Christian God.



Endure is looking for hope, and if you actually read through the thread you would see that I did give Endure encouraging words.



I said:

http://www.christianforums.com/t1903045-im-no-longer-a-christian-anyone-understand.html&page=2

Post #17

 

[justin88]

Sorry about that man. I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Hehe I guess my memory failed me haha.

 

[mamabear4]

im trying to find hope outside of Christ, becuase i dont believe in him anymore.

im not asking anyone to help me bash christianity... i was just venting and i also dont want to be a part of trying to dismantle this wide spread belief system im no longer a part of... i will never be a part of these people who harass and try to tear down christians.

but does anyone feel me?

its been about 2 weeks since i changed... im still kinda unsure and worried, but it doesnt look like i have any options...
does anyone understand how i feel?

Back to the original question:

Yes, I do understand how you feel because I was there once, too, as most of those who have posted in this thread have.

 

[psychedelicist]

Jeez looks like you're getting help from about 5 different people none of whom can agree on how you should do it. I would have to agree with peepnklown though, you have to decide for yourself whether or not you believe this stuff. I would think about possibly reading other religious texts if you still want to believe in god.

I pretty much went through the same thing you are going through. It tore me apart, no tknowing wht to believe, having feelings of despair and believing that life is useless, not getting satisfactory answers from any person or religion.

But I'll tell you, it helps a lot if you stop taking yourself and your problems so seriously. Lightening up, even though it's ind of hard considering what you're going through, is what helped me through. It's much easier to figure out what you believe and want, once you stop worrying and despairing about stuff.

 

[peepnklown]

Sorry about that man. I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Hehe I guess my memory failed me haha.

I appreciate the apology; thanks for being honest.

 

[levi501]

You're on the right track Endure.
Don't be afraid to ask those difficult questions and look for answers.
If the answers you've been given your whole life don't add up look else where. Just realize it's a process and it takes a while to tear down belief systems you've blindly followed.

Something I've observed... maybe you'll see this also..
Most people in my opinion are to varying degrees agnostic... they just won't admit it because they believe by admitting they have doubt it will end their little pascals wager. Consider this though, is it unreasonable and illogical to be anything other then agnotic with out compelling personal evidence of his existence? I believe most xians lack this evidence, they're just hopeful. Nothing wrong with being an agnostic theist.
G'luck in your journey. It's not all that different from mine.

 

[mamabear4]

I believe most xians lack this evidence, they're just hopeful. QUOTE]


Where did that come from? (xians) (I feel slapped or something akin to it.)

 

[levi501]

Where did that come from? (xians) (I feel slapped or something akin to it.)

"Xian" is short for "Christian", in the same way that "Xmas" is short for "Christmas". The letter X represents the initial letter
chi of the Greek 'kristos', meaning "Christ". It's not an insult.

Another variant often seen is "Xtian".

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skep2/athfaq.htm

 

[Joe Atheist]

i posted this elsewhere, please read it if you will and reply if you can feel me... im trying to find hope outside of Christ, becuase i dont believe in him anymore.





im not asking anyone to help me bash christianity... i was just venting and i also dont want to be a part of trying to dismantle this wide spread belief system im no longer a part of... i will never be a part of these people who harass and try to tear down christians.

but does anyone feel me?

its been about 2 weeks since i changed... im still kinda unsure and worried, but it doesnt look like i have any options...
does anyone understand how i feel?

I feel ya! In fact this was me, oh, say about 15 years ago. Although I must admit, I never thought being a Christian was intense or demanding, I was just annoyed with it because it didn't ring true to me, and as you said, I felt I had just been brainwashed from childhood.

 

[Ledifni]

i posted this elsewhere, please read it if you will and reply if you can feel me... im trying to find hope outside of Christ, becuase i dont believe in him anymore.





im not asking anyone to help me bash christianity... i was just venting and i also dont want to be a part of trying to dismantle this wide spread belief system im no longer a part of... i will never be a part of these people who harass and try to tear down christians.

but does anyone feel me?

its been about 2 weeks since i changed... im still kinda unsure and worried, but it doesnt look like i have any options...
does anyone understand how i feel?

I understand exactly how you feel. In fact, the reasons you list are very close to the reasons that I'm an atheist now -- and I was once an almost fanatical Christian.

There is little I can say to you except to keep thinking, keep searching, keep trying to live and to learn as honestly and truly and rightly as you can. If you have any questions I can answer, any advice I can offer, or any moral or emotional support you need, feel free to PM me.