anunbeliever said:
What is the old Vorlon proverb? "The truth is a three edged sword". The following are mutually exclusive:
1. God is as Jason describes. Real Christians know him without doubt. Alleged Christians who doubt (or fall away) never trully knew him.
I do not say that real Christians know him without doubt. Real, or, True Christians, will examine what they know of Him, to see if it ligns up with what His Holy Words say, not their own, or other peoples. True Christians will not doubt regularly His existence, because it will overtake them, and they will have His peace, and presence, that passes all understanding with them continually, if they are walking with Him.
True Christians can slip, and do, but with my experience, and I believe with most, is they will get pulled up by the strong hand of God, and put on a higher place still.
That is, if you continue to seek Him, and hate your own stench.
linssue55 said:
Sorry but once a child of God....ALWAYS a child of God. You may not like it but you are a member of the Royal Family. Just because you don't want God in your life anymore, IS NOT the same for Him, your stuck. I do hope you will find your way back, because He will be waiting for you.
First, if you were never a child of God, then you never were part of the "Royal Family", and never in His strong grasp.
Second, why do you believe this?
And lastly, this was taken from the best website on the internet, because of various reasons, I can not post the url, but, it is at the top of the links on my website.
This was excellently done by a True Child of God.
Can a man walk away from Jesus?
The word teaches a man can fall from his own stedfastness (sample scriptures below). When we get saved, we enter into a marriage covenant--that is why Jesus is called the Bridegroom (the OT also reveals that our Maker is our husband [Is 54:5]). Jesus will never leave us, but a man can taste of the heavenly gift and make the horrific, despicable decision to go back to the world and forsake the Lord--just like an adulterer that taketh strangers and instead of his spouse. For such an one there is NO place of repentance. Many teach that you are saved, unsaved, saved again--there is no Bible teaching to support this, but there is plenty of teaching to support that a man can taste of the heavenly gift and reject it. For such an one there is NO place of repentance.
The church is severely compromised this day. False doctrinal schemes take scriptures out of context (to the exclusion of all others) to make people think that they can be children of disobedience and still be assured of heaven. This is an eruption of the ancient, grievous scourge of antinomianism. Jesus died to save His people FROM THEIR SINS--"Thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their
sins". Modern day evangelists emphasize a Saviour from hell, but the Bible emphasizes a Saviour from sin--Read Romans chapters 6,7, and 8 CONSECUTIVELY. Jesus will save you from the GUILT
and POWER of sin. The word says that sin shall have NO DOMINION over you--
Jesus will have the dominion over you. The blood of Jesus is powerful enough to save you from the shame of sin. You become a new creature--not the same old one living lukewarm and careless under the power of the devil. If you taste of the heavenly gift and go back to the world, it is better that you had not known the way of life in the first place (II Pet 2:21).
The Bible saith not in vain to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. If you abide in the true vine, you have nothing to worry about. If you are carnal, you should be VERY worried. You have no fear of God for by fear of the LORD men DEPART from evil (Pro 16:6)--a man that fears God does not stay in evil as you do. The following is a little sample to show that the despicable can walk away from the Lord. Dispensationalists will tell you that Hebrews is "for the Jews". I reject that. I read ALL the word. I consider ALL the word. They'll say the same thing about Matthew. Why do they do that? Because these books contain scriptures that dismantle the mumbo-jumbo gumbo that they learned from Larkin and the crew. ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable FOR DOCTRINE for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Why? That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works (ref II Tim 3:16-17). Without further adieu, scriptures proving that a man can depart from the faith...
Hebrews 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but
IF any man DRAW BACK, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we,
IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD. 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 3:14 For
we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast UNTO THE END;
Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to COME SHORT OF IT.
Hebrews 4:8-11 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man FALL after the same example of unbelief.
Hebrews 6:4-9 For IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT, AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,
And HAVE TASTED the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we sin wilfully AFTER that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 12:13-17 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; LEST THERE BE ANY FORNICATOR, OR PROFANE PERSON, AS ESAU, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that
afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for HE FOUND NO PLACE OF REPENTANCE, though he sought it carefully with tears.
1 Thessalonians 3:5 For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith,
lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren,
give diligence to make your calling and election SURE: for IF ye do these things, ye shall never FALL:
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being LED AWAY with the error of the wicked, FALL from your own stedfastness.
2 Peter 2:20 For
if AFTER THEY HAVE ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, AFTER THEY HAVE KNOWN IT, TO TURN from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death,
to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE in the faith grounded and settled, and BE NOT MOVED AWAY from the hope of the gospels, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning.
IF that which ye have heard from the beginning SHALL REMAIN IN YOU, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 11:20 Well;
because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but
toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE in his goodness: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 15:2 By which also
ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
2 John 1:8
Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and ABIDETH NOT in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. HE THAT ABIDETH in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 2:7 To them who BY PATIENT CONTINUANCE IN WELL DOING seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Ezekiel 18:26
When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
The previous was borrowed from a friend.
All credit goes to Sister Tracy, and then therefore to the Almighty God.
In the Love and Truth of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Jason
