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I wanted to know what everyone's thoughts were on the illegal immigration debate. Are we as Christians supposed to support it or stand against it?
I volunteered last summer with a group called No More Deaths which was providing water, food and medical aid to migrants crossing the border illegally as well as documenting police abuses against them (see Culture of Cruelty report). We did not help anyone cross or advise anyone to do that, but also tried to keep them from dying.

What we need to realize is that at least in the case of migrants from Mexico and many countries in Latin America, the people are fleeing poverty that has been imposed on them to a large part by American and Canadian trade policies. When our leaders signed the NAFTA agreement with a corrupt and murderous Mexican government in 1994, we contributed to over 2 million farming families being unable to support themselves as the price of Mexican corn was cut by 70% so American corn could be imported to Mexico. In order for Mexico to be more friendly to big business, the minimum wage was cut. Previous IMF and World Bank policies caused the Mexican government to cut down on social programs in already a poor country. In US owned maquiladoras, workers labour in unhealthy conditions and are unable to make ends meet even though they work more than 8 hours a day.

Do I like illegal immigration? No. But when people are fleeing exploitation and unlivable conditions placed on them by our political and business leaders- people we elect and their friends- it is hard to blame them.

If you are interested in reading about what I saw and learned on the border, check out my blog, North of the Border
 
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I have quite a bit of insight on this as my husband is Salvadorean and I lived with illegal Mexicans in college. First off I am 100% against illegal immigration a vast majority make a living avoiding taxes, stealing identities, and abusing social welfare. My inlaws came under refugee status in the 1980s and jumped through the hoops for citizenship but never used social welfare and always paid taxes etc. Now the Mexicans I lived with had a few friends that made them fake IDs, Social Security cards with real numbers, and they could be any age they wanted. Most weekends theyd have parties, loud music, drugs and drinking, and everyone would drive home drunk. If caught they just changed their name again. And that was for anything;delinquent accounts, drugs, domestic violence ect. On top of that theyd register cars and get bottom rate insurance because they had no seeable record and were always older than 25 on their paperwork. I saw them add dependants from Mexico and recieve 3K in returns with stolen alien registration #s most harbored views of women as servants and this wasnt just five or six people. Between parties and events Id estimate about 300 people among them.
 
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right, because the pilgrims were "illegal immigrants" too...and Americans used religion to justify the fact that we were taking over another culture's territory. most people will see whatever benefits their own survival as good...or at least find a way to rationalize it...even if it means hurting someone else's chances of survival. that is why it is so amazing that Christ *gave up his life* for us. the rest of us spend our lives trying to preserve ourselves. it's just instinct...but on a spiritual level, it doesn't work. that is why we *need* Christ's grace so much, and why it is impossible to please God on our own. i wish i could be that sacrificial. i've only ever managed to ever really make a sacrifice a few times in my life, unless i had to make sacrifices to survive (ie economizing financially). i think if most of us are honest, we will find that many of our choices are based on self-preservation...and if the laws made it too difficult to survive, we would be faced with the choice of breaking the law as well.
 
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As Christians, we need to show compassion to all people that are suffering everywhere on this fallen planet.But if our American way of life is destroyed because the laws aren't being upheld, then it's quite possible that there will no longer be a great country for people to immigrate to any more.And here is something that I heard on a radio program ( Christian) the other day that I never even thought of. Some people believe that the number of illegal immigrants is much higher than what we've been told.They believe there are as many as 40 million illegal immigrants and that it's very probable that as many as 100,000 Muslim extremists also blended in with the Mexicans and South Americans and made their way into the country.One more reason why we have these laws and why they need to be enforced.
 
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I wanted to know what everyone's thoughts were on the illegal immigration debate. Are we as Christians supposed to support it or stand against it?

We as Christians are to be against laws against "illegal immigration." I certainly am!

  • The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. -Leviticus 19:34
  • "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt. -Exodus 22:21
  • And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt. -Deuteronomy 10:19
And this is my favorite verse about this topic:

  • The LORD watches over the alien and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked. -146:9
We are to treat and love strangers or "aliens" as ourselves as if they were born in our own land, just as we should take care of widows and fatherless children; God puts them in the same boat. We need to give them the same rights that we as citizens of America have. Plus, do you know one of this countirie's mottos? It's on the staue of Liberty. Let me tell ya;

"Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

What in the world happened to this? We have spit on this motto by creating laws against immigration. Plus these laws are designed to maintain international control and promote discrimination. Why doesn't a Mexican have the right to get the same jobs that any white man does? Plus, they take the jobs that most upper class citizens don't want anyways, so what's the big deal? And most of them are doing a good job too, I know cuz I've worked with some "minorities." Not to say that they're all the same, but what gives the elite any right to look down on those people? We're complaining, cuz people think they're taking all the jobs? Excuse me? That's just a load of propaganda designed to turn the upper class workers to turn against them. Those in power are using them as scapegoats! I hate these anti-immigration laws!
 
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We as Christians are to be against laws against "illegal immigration." I certainly am!

  • The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. -Leviticus 19:34
  • "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt. -Exodus 22:21
  • And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt. -Deuteronomy 10:19
And this is my favorite verse about this topic:

  • The LORD watches over the alien and sustains the fatherless and the
    widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked. -146:9
We are to treat and love strangers or "aliens" as ourselves as if they were born in our own land, just as we should take care of widows and fatherless children; God puts them in the same boat. We need to give them the same rights that we as citizens of America have. Plus, do you know one of this countirie's mottos? It's on the staue of Liberty. Let me tell ya;

"Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

What in the world happened to this? We have spit on this motto by creating laws against immigration. Plus these laws are designed to maintain international control and promote discrimination. Why doesn't a Mexican have the right to get the same jobs that any white man does? Plus, they take the jobs that most upper class citizens don't want anyways, so what's the big deal? And most of them are doing a good job too, I know cuz I've worked with some "minorities." Not to say that they're all the same, but what gives the
elite any right to look down on those people? We're complaining, cuz people think they're taking all the jobs? Excuse me? That's just a load of propaganda designed to turn the upper class workers to turn against them. Those in power are using them as scapegoats! I hate these anti-immigration laws!
This isn't white man against Mexican, I don't even know how you get that from this discussion??? It's about people who break laws in place to protect our freedoms as American citizens. Our country is indirect straights job wise as it is do we really need overpopulation of people stealing taxes that help programs such as Medicaid/Medicare, welfare, SSI, and other programs that help the poor among us? And they aren't here to assimilate and feed into the economy, if this were the case then they might actually help our economic status, but as has been pointed out they're feeding into the Mexican Government, inadvertently feedin gthe drug cartels that have consumed the nation. Theyre bringing drugs, ideals of female servitude, and stealing jobs, not assimilating and contributing to society in a positive manner.
 
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This isn't white man against Mexican, I don't even know how you get that from this discussion??? It's about people who break laws in place to protect our freedoms as American citizens. Our country is indirect straights job wise as it is do we really need overpopulation of people stealing taxes that help programs such as Medicaid/Medicare, welfare, SSI, and other programs that help the poor among us? And they aren't here to assimilate and feed into the economy, if this were the case then they might actually help our economic status, but as has been pointed out they're feeding into the Mexican Government, inadvertently feedin gthe drug cartels that have consumed the nation. Theyre bringing drugs, ideals of female servitude, and stealing jobs, not assimilating and contributing to society in a positive manner.

First of all, you don't get my point about the white against Mexican. My point was that there are some white suppremacist elites who are in power who are still pushing for an all arryan nation, but that's not the only reason they create these laws against alien immigration. And you generalize every Mexican and/or immigrant of any race by what you say. There are plenty of Mexicans who are dying in Mexico because of poverty and lack of opportunity. They struggle to put food on the plates for their family. There are many parts of Mexico that resemble third-world countries and some men sweat to survive. Not to mention the lawlessness; there is violence and crime that goes overlooked, even murder. People want to get away from that and seek for golden opportunity, something that America flourishes with! They see the many opportunties that the US offers and they want to take advantage of it that they might better provide for their families and survive. The US is a blessed nation, and some Mexicans who are less fortunate than we are in their land want to take a hold of some of these blessings for themselves, and this is understandable. I don't blame them! But some Americans are just so selfish they don't want to share, just like a young undiscipled child, who hoards all of his toys to himself and refuses to share with his brother, embracing his toys while childishly saying, "No! Mine!" And this country makes so much money, but look at all the money we spend on wars and funding government programs, organizations, and projects; such as MK-Ultra, which was a covert CIA program that funded millions and millions of dollars on mind control! And you're gonna tell me that our backs are aching to help feed these people with SSI and welfare? When we are the ones oppressing these people and keeping them get good jobs so they can feed their families? What other choice do they have other than to look for finanical support from their government who is supposed to help people in need? Esp one that claimes they are under God? They can't have jobs, they can't look for financial support on welfare, SSI, etc. etc., they're poor in their own countries, what in the world do you expect them to do? Desperate times call for desperate measures, and sadly, this may drive some people to resort to going against the grain to make money, maybe even to illegaly sell drugs! Now, I'm not justifying those who sell drugs my any means! I understand what you're saying, but I also understand some of these people's reasoning. After all, if the government won't help them; in this country or their own, and they can't find a decent job because everyone is hoarding them, esp the good ones; in this country and theirs, then what? Well, I do wish that they would consider turning to God to rely on him for provisions, and for not doing so they are putting themselves in danger, which is probabaly why there is so much violence amongst "minorities" in ghettos, but at the same time, most of those who are preaching the word of God are the very people who are oppressing them in disguise, or they're people who would rather go along with their government rather than God himself, fearing the goverment's ungodly laws rather than God's, which can make it hard to believe in the God they preach when their lives don't even reflect his words.

Your comment covers a small minority of these people who are folish to resort to selling drugs, and all the goverment has to do about them is exorcise their exsiteing laws against drugs and trafficking, just as they do with the people who are already citizens of this country. Why should it be any different for people coming from another country? Why do we have to create unecessary laws against immigrants all of the sudden to regulate drug trafficking? Esp when our own government is the one to supposedly be putting drugs out themselves? Yes, I do believe that certain factions of the government are involved in dealing with drugs. I suspect that they give these drugs, such as cocaine, and basically sell them to bod dealers in casinos and major elites, who then sell it to their inferiors who go out and sell them to smaller dealers on the streets, who go and sell them to the people on the streets. The police then catch these people, confinscate their contraband, and then start the cycle over again. They can make good money doing this, both on the drugs and the people they arrest and imprison, all the while oppressing and suppressing these people and keeping them from prospering with th jobs they would rather give to the elite and powerful that they might become richer and more powerful while the poor get poorer and weaker before they wipe them out completely. I don't necessarily want to state this as a fact, there's a small possibility I could be wrong, but there is an overwhelming ammount of evidence to point to the good possibility of this being true. One thing's for sure, this government is just as corrupt as the people, if not more so, so I don't know what right they think they have to make these laws, esp. which contradict the laws of God himself, all the while claiming to be "under God." They ought to submit to God's auhtority rather than Satan's, lest God destroy and dismantle them, which he will. And you ought not to generalize the Mexican population as people who are quick to sells drugs, steal jobs, etc. etc. etc. just because of what a small perectnage of people among them do. Keep in mind the families who are just trying to survive and get by. They'd be of more use if we wouldn't oppress them and grant them these opportunities freely. And as far as overpopulation goes; there is plenty of land within the US in which the people could expand if they wanted to. And poulation control is in God's power, not man's. He gave us alot of land to expand on anyways, why do we have to croud small areas of land anyways?
 
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Your post makes me Lol. You honed into the drug thing quite a bit and it's TRUE. Drug cartels own their land right now that is the main government income in Mexico and we the US are the main consumers. They are bringing drugs period. You also act like I'm racist for some reason and it would serve you to know that my kids are El Salvadorean, we speak Spanish, and my kids grandparents immigrated here through the legal doors. Their grandmother has citizenship now. I'm not against immigration through legal means. And just because you feel we are a Christian nation doesn't mean we have to let our standards down and bring in 1,000s of Mexican day laborers, drug dealers, or the like for posterity in Gods eyes. We have a God given right to preserve ourselves and our culture. And do you watch the news at all? We are in a worldwide recession! Of course we are hurting and programs such as Medicaide/Medicare are hurting. SSI won't even be here for my generation let alone my kids and your conspiracy theories show how little you know and how much you take from your own opinion vs facts or real time data.Mexican children of immigrants are more likely to drop out of school, get pregnant as teens, get into gangs, do drugs, and most anything else yu can think of to contribute to the ills of society, than their American counterparts.
 
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Your post makes me Lol. You honed into the drug thing quite a bit and it's TRUE. Drug cartels own their land right now that is the main government income in Mexico and we the US are the main consumers. They are bringing drugs period.

Is that to say something so ignorant as to blame ALL Mexicans for what some of them are doing? Are you saying that ALL of them are bringing in drugs? In that case, I can say I blame all white people selling dope in our country! Or I could just as easily say all white people are to blame for the oppression of minorities!

You also act like I'm racist for some reason and it would serve you to know that my kids are El Salvadorean, we speak Spanish, and my kids grandparents immigrated here through the legal doors. Their grandmother has citizenship now. I'm not against immigration through legal means. And just because you feel we are a Christian nation doesn't mean we have to let our standards down and bring in 1,000s of Mexican day laborers, drug dealers, or the like for posterity in Gods eyes. We have a God given right to preserve ourselves and our culture.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I care very little what nationality your family is, or the members of your family are. It matters very little, if at all, for there are plenty of "minority" families who discriminate against their own people, the same is true for multiracial families. It's what's in the heart. And yes, what you're saying does come out to sound quite racist.


And do you watch the news at all? We are in a worldwide recession! Of course we are hurting and programs such as Medicaide/Medicare are hurting. SSI won't even be here for my generation let alone my kids and your conspiracy theories show how little you know and how much you take from your own opinion vs facts or real time data.Mexican children of immigrants are more likely to drop out of school, get pregnant as teens, get into gangs, do drugs, and most anything else yu can think of to contribute to the ills of society, than their American counterparts.

The news? Are you joking? Do you have any idea how biased the maintream media is? The mainstream media is loaded with the things they want to feed us, not necessarily always what we need to hear. It is the nations' propoganda machine. I may watch a few minutes of the news occasionaly, but only because I am aware of their brainwash tactics. Try that for a fact, cuz half the time their covering some pointless story of a cat being rescued by the local fire marshall, when there are more important stories that are going unoticed; half of the time because our own government is covering them up. Stories like Kelly Thomas; a young schizophrenic homeless man who was beaten to death by some corrupt pigs was covered because it happened to be cought on cam. These are usually the only times stories like this are publisized on the news. Usually all other times it's; the cat in the tree, or the local prominent man just made a great new law, let's praise him, or this or that. So you can keep on watching your channel 12 news at primetime, but you're being brainwashed and blinded my friend; there's no doubt on my part about that! And again, we are hurting financially for a number of reasons; 1.) Because we pour our tax dollars into government projects which are taking place without our discretion and wars, 2.) Because the government deliberately likes to cut our financial life support so that we will turn to and rely on them during these times of need so that they can exploit us for everything we have, all the while blaming it on minorities whom they often try to use as scapegoats so that they divert the blame from themselves onto the "weaker" generation so that they may gain more control. The facts are there, and there is plenty of evidence throughout history to back this up. History repeats itself. It's a pattern we see throughout history that shows this. And the way you generalize Mexicans to be prone to a life of crime and unbeneficial lifestyles is based on the propaganda you've been fed from your nightly news! Your views reflect the propaganda they fed you on the news. Haha, I like that, it rhymes. And no, we don't have to tolerate drug dealing or posterity, but that's why we have laws against it, which don't require laws against immigration. I don't see us deporting the criminals in our own nation. The point being is that crime is never gonna go away until the Lord destroys this world, no matter what race of person is involved.
 
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Lol again! I don't get all of my information from American news media. Try things like Al Jazeer, Haaretz, and several independent new leads ( I am well aware Haaretz and Al Jazeer are somewhat biased but better than American news) and we are in debt for several reasons for sure, I'm saying the government is trying to cut the programs to the poor right now and with the illegal immigrant influx it will hurt those American citizens that need the help.
And my views on Mexicans have not come from the media it's comes from having lived in Las Vegas most of my life interacting with Mexicans of all sorts. I have a few good Mexican families that I hang out with but the majority there are drug pecking, drunken, womanizers who use their nationality to play the race card. They aren't oppressed or targeted mores than white, half the LVPD are Hispanic. Stereotypes are there for a reason and it's not all falsehood my friend. If you love the illegal immigrants so much you go live with them, as I have, in their homes interact with their community a bit. I'd like to see what you think then.
 
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Lol again! I don't get all of my information from American news media. Try things like Al Jazeer, Haaretz, and several independent new leads ( I am well aware Haaretz and Al Jazeer are somewhat biased but better than American news) and we are in debt for several reasons for sure, I'm saying the government is trying to cut the programs to the poor right now and with the illegal immigrant influx it will hurt those American citizens that need the help.

Ok, but why don't they stop funding atrocious programs and operations and useless wars without tax payer's consent? If they really wanna save money, why don't they cut these wallet-denting programs which are only being used for all the wrong reasons? It's our tax dollars, why don't we have a say in where our money goes?

And my views on Mexicans have not come from the media it's comes from having lived in Las Vegas most of my life interacting with Mexicans of all sorts. I have a few good Mexican families that I hang out with but the majority there are drug pecking, drunken, womanizers who use their nationality to play the race card. They aren't oppressed or targeted mores than white, half the LVPD are Hispanic. Stereotypes are there for a reason and it's not all falsehood my friend. If you love the illegal immigrants so much you go live with them, as I have, in their homes interact with their community a bit. I'd like to see what you think then.

Understandable, I myself have been across state, esp in borderline towns, such as Las Cruces, El Paso, Laredo, Tuscon, Phoenix, even las Vegas, and then some; all cities and towns along the border in whcih there are many Mexicans, who I have had frequent contact with, and I have indeed interacted with many of them, and let me tell ya; they're no better or worse then any one else! I've seen no difference between them and white people, or anyone else for that reason, negative or positive. There are all kinds of different people among them; criminals, workers, drunks, church figures, authority figures, etc. etc. Yes, what you say is somewhat true, there are many drunks and womanizers among them, but such lifestyles are often the direct results of oppresion; maybe not always, but sometimes this is what happens; man gets suppressed and brought low to a low low, where many are introduced to alternative methods of making money to survive, and also introduced to drugs and alcohol. The devil loves to bring himself to the level of the low and bring them even lower by tempting with them with drugs, alcolhol, and other things. I'm not trying to justify their lifestyles, but to show you what happens to people in lower classes. I have been there, and I have interacted with them, and there have been some of them who are just normal people trying to go about their own business. Why don't you go see how it is to live the life of a "minority?" I've been dirt poor across the country, living on the streets with all kinds of people; black, white, brown, you name it, I've seen it. And THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER FILTHY! ALL OF THEM; OF EVERY RACE! And that puts it lightly! I've seen little difference in race, although I will admit; I've had some bad experiences with African Americans.
 
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I wanted to know what everyone's thoughts were on the illegal immigration debate. Are we as Christians supposed to support it or stand against it?
I think if a person says they are coming to America to better their life, they prove it by not beginning that new life as a criminal. They don't enter a new country illegally. They don't get a job and not pay income tax as the rest of us do when we're trying to make a better life for ourselves on a net income.

Or if illegals do pay income taxes, being illegal, they have stolen someone's social security number and are fraudulently employed with or without benefits. So that someone who is a legal citizen is still paying for that, because it's their social security number.
 
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Because it's the US government. We are migrating more and more towards socialism than ever before and are powerless to stop it. But the fact of the matter is that illegal immigration isn't a small problem! It's bringing in some good people but honestly having been where you have can you say it's the minority of immigrants? I can't! And yes, all races have problems in lower class situations the difference is that the African Americans and whites and Hispanics born jere are at least paying income tax on any legally obtained job, and if it's illegal they can eventually be caught and detained. They aren't stealing another's identity and forging government documents in the process. And you're preaching to the choir. My dad was a crack addict my mom is an alcoholic and my uncle was a rapist, I grew up in foster care and now am on the near welfare status at 22 with three children. I'm not up on some high horse away from these scenarios I'm saying that the majority of these immigrants aren't here to help us out any or better their lives. It's steal socials, get jobs, pay no taxes yet get a refund with alien registration numbers, and filter that into the Mexican GDP. It's stealing outright on all fronts. This country wouldn't have a poor working class if it weren't for wars and illegal immigration because we are supporting thousands of children born each year to these people also and other nations don't put up with illegal immigration like we do and have much better social welfare programs and provisions for the elderly that aren't in jeopardy because of the economy.
 
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If it's a life or death situation, that's one thing. Otherwise, it's wrong.


USICE said:
What's consider illegal activity under immigration law

The first time an illegal is caught the US it’s consider a misdemeanor civil offense. This is actually helpful as we want to quickly deport them without a lengthy process or trial. After the first offense, being caught a second time is a felony.

Here is a list of current US Immigration Laws applicable to illegal aliens and employers:


It is Illegal To Bring Illegal Aliens Into US under current Laws.
It is unlawful for any person to bring aliens into the United States.
Fine: $3,000 for each alien.
Sec. 273. (8 U.S.C. 1323)

It is Illegal To Harbor Illegal Immigrants.
It is unlawful to bring in or harbor illegal aliens.
Fine: $3,000 for each alien.
Sec. 273. (8 U.S.C. 1323)

It is Illegal To Employ, Recruit, or Refer Illegal Aliens for Jobs.
It is unlawful for a person or other entity to employ or recruit or refer for a fee an illegal alien in the United States. Commercial advantage or private financial gain offender can be fined under title 18, US code, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in sub paragraph (B) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.
Sec. 274A. (8 U.S.C. 1324a)

It is Illegal To Forge Documents for Illegal Immigrants or violate Identity Theft Laws.
It is unlawful for any person or entity knowingly to forge documents. Legal documents must be presented when entering the US.
Fine: not less than $250 and not more than $2,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation.
Previous violation: not less than $2,000 and not more than $5,000 for each document that is the subject of a violation.
Sec. 274C. (8 U.S.C. 1324c)

US Laws Declare it is Illegal To Aid or Abet Illegal Immigrants.
It is unlawful for anyone to aid or assist aliens to enter the United States.
Penalty: fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
Sec. 277. (8 U.S.C. 1327)

Legal Immigrants Must Know English, US History, US Laws, and Principles and must pass a test to prove it!
No person shall be naturalized as a citizen of the United States who cannot demonstrate:
An understanding of the English language, including the ability to read, write and speak words in ordinary usage in the English language.
A knowledge and understanding of history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States.
Sec. 312. (8 U.S.C. 1423)

Legal Immigrants Must Display Moral Character and No Crime Record.
Requirements as to residence, good moral character, attachment to the principles of the constitution, and favorable disposition to the Untied States.
Sec. 316. (8 U.S.C. 1427)

Legal Immigrants Must Be Investigated and Screened for past crimes and terrorism links.
Prior to a person becoming naturalized, or an employee of the service, a personal investigation is required of the individual applying.
Sec. 335. (8 U.S.C. 1446)

It is Illegal For Illegal Aliens to Bypass Medical and Physical Exams for illnesses and infectious diseases.
Physical and Mental Examinations are required. Aliens arriving at ports of the United States will be detained for the purpose of determining whether they are afflicted with any of the diseases or mental or physical defects or disabilities set forth in section 212(a), or whenever the Attorney General has received information showing that any aliens are coming from a country or have embarked at a place where any of such diseases are prevalent or epidemic.
Sec. 232 [8 U.S.C. 1252]

Illegal Aliens Deported are ineligible for readmission to US Under Current Laws.
Distressed Aliens:
Any alien who falls into distress or who needs public aid from causes arising prior to his/her entry is desirous of being so removed. Any alien so removed shall be ineligible to apply for or receive a visa or other documentation for readmission, or to apply for admission to the United States except with the prior approval of the Attorney General.
Sec. 250. (8 U.S.C. 1260)

It is Illegal for Illegal Immigrants to possess a firearm or ammunition.
It is unlawful for an alien illegally in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a non immigrant visa to legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition.
(18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32)
 
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It is worthwhile to remember that in the land of ancient Egypt - the Israelites were the illegal immigrants. They lived under everyone's thumb, had no health care, were looked down upon by normal citizens, and did all the dirty work that no-one else wanted to do.

Although Moses was "an illegal immigrant" ...
that didn't stop God from showing him favor.

Just a thought.

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It is worthwhile to remember that in the land of ancient Egypt - the Israelites were the illegal immigrants. They lived under everyone's thumb, had no health care, were looked down upon by normal citizens, and did all the dirty work that no-one else wanted to do.

Although Moses was "an illegal immigrant" ...
that didn't stop God from showing him favor.

Just a thought.

Gideon123

This is so true, which why it is said;

'You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember, you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.' -Exodus 22:21
 
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i wish this was facebook so i could "like" the last two responses. what america does as a nation and what we do as Christians is different! so many people seem to think america is a Christian nation. it is not! there is no "Christian nation." Christians, our true brothers and sisters, are members of many nations. and if our brothers and sisters are seeking refuge from oppression or extreme poverty, Jesus would welcome them and so should we.
 
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i wish this was facebook so i could "like" the last two responses. what america does as a nation and what we do as Christians is different! so many people seem to think america is a Christian nation. it is not! there is no "Christian nation." Christians, our true brothers and sisters, are members of many nations. and if our brothers and sisters are seeking refuge from oppression or extreme poverty, Jesus would welcome them and so should we.

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Amen to that sister! I'd like what you just said and you, and btw, you can make a friend request on this site, ya know that, right? And you're right, this nation is not what it seems, and it certainly is NOT a "nation under God!" If anything, this a nation under the dictatorship of Satan himself!
 
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