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If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

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You don't obey the law and you don't understand.
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man.
 
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For your sin shall not Master it over you, (SAME AS YHWH TOLD CAIN HE SHOULD CHOOSE)

for you are not under the penalty of Law breaking, but under grace.


15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the penalty of the Torah, but under grace? Let it not be!

16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves to whom you obey, whether of sin to death, <><><> or obedience to righteousness?

17 But thanks be to Elohim that you were slaves of sin,... .... ....
18 And having been set free from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness.



Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man.


but really, english is a VERY hard language to understand, eh? (no excuse though, for ANYONE who has the MIND OF CHRIST; rare, so rare)
 
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Which commandments?

Do not eat of the tree of...
Circumcise your male offspring...
Make a sacrifice in the temple...
Do not eat of swine...
Keep the evening to evening Sabbath or be killed...
Love thy neighbor...





Love thy neighbor as thyself
is the commandment we need to keep as Christians. The other commandments you listed are not valid for Christians.
 
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Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man.
Yep, the law was just as Paul wrote, but the fact is he also wrote and you quoted: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.

Why would any thinking Christian want to observe ritual laws meant only for Israel?
 
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Which commandments?

Do not eat of the tree of...
Circumcise your male offspring...
Make a sacrifice in the temple...
Do not eat of swine...
Keep the evening to evening Sabbath or be killed...
Love thy neighbor...




We don't have access to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are keeping that by default. Circumcision is good, most Americans do it for health reasons anyway, might as well acknowledge God told us to do it, it was instituted long before Sinai in Genesis 17:10. There is no temple, by not doing sacrifices we are keeping the commandment of Deuteronomy 12:11, 16:5 of only sacrificing at the place God chooses. I don't eat pig anymore, God didn't design them to be food, and he will judge people for doing so in the future (Isaiah 66:17). Sabbath is good, God blessed the day in Genesis 2:1-3, and Jesus said it was made for man in Mark 2:27, and Hebrews 4:1-11 encourages us to enter the rest. Love your neighbor is found in the law (Leviticus 19:18), the gospels (Mark 12:31), and the epistles (Romans 13:9).
 
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Why are they not valid?


Adam and Eve were required to keep the first commandment that was posted, but the Israelites were not required to keep that commandment. It did not apply to them.

The Israelites/Jews were required to keep the next four that were posted, but the Christians were not required to keep them. Also, to be specific: non-Jews were never required to keep the Saturday Sabbath. It did not apply to them.

The Christians Acts 11:26 are required to keep the last commandment that was posted. Here it is again:

Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

Christians/followers of Jesus Christ are not required to become Jews, but some Jews do become Christians/followers of Jesus Christ.


Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

James 2:8
If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. rsv

There are now no distinctions made with God between Jew and non-Jew (Gentile/Greek) in the Christian faith, even though some people do give themselves a national or genetic distinction.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. rsv



Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. rsv


Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all.
rsv
All believers in Jesus Christ are called Christians, but distinctions between Christian Jews and Christian non-Jews are not valid. These self-proclaimed distinctions have no lasting value for anyone who is Christian and they do not impress God.


Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all.
rsv


2 Corinthians 10:17-18
Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.” 18 For it is not the man who commends himself that is accepted, but the man whom the Lord commends. rsv




 
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Sabbath is good

Christ is the Sabbath.

He is the New Covenant.

Some of us continue to worship the shadow, instead of the Body.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Christ is the Sabbath.

He is the New Covenant.

Some of us continue to worship the shadow, instead of the Body.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Are you talking about Paul? He kept sabbath many times (Acts 13:14,Acts 13:42-44, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4, Acts 18:11) as well as the feasts (Acts 18:21, Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16, Acts 27:9). Notice how it says they are a shadow of things to come. Not were, but are, written after Jesus died. The day of trumpets represents the rapture, the day of atonement represents the regeneration of nations Israel, and the feast of tabernacles represents the rein of Jesus as king of the earth. We also have confirmation that we will literally observe it when Jesus comes back as in Zechariah 14:16.

If you keep reading just a few verses you will see Paul is talking about the commandments of men, not God (Colossians 2:22). Paul kept the law his entire life (Acts 25:8). Whenever he seems to be trashing the law, I read it as him trashing the oral law, the traditions of men.
 
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We don't have access to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, we are keeping that by default. Circumcision is good, most Americans do it for health reasons anyway, might as well acknowledge God told us to do it, it was instituted long before Sinai in Genesis 17:10. There is no temple, by not doing sacrifices we are keeping the commandment of Deuteronomy 12:11, 16:5 of only sacrificing at the place God chooses. I don't eat pig anymore, God didn't design them to be food, and he will judge people for doing so in the future (Isaiah 66:17). Sabbath is good, God blessed the day in Genesis 2:1-3, and Jesus said it was made for man in Mark 2:27, and Hebrews 4:1-11 encourages us to enter the rest. Love your neighbor is found in the law (Leviticus 19:18), the gospels (Mark 12:31), and the epistles (Romans 13:9).

Circumcision as a religious ritual does not do anything spiritually beneficial for a Christian. If a Christian believes that circumcision is necessary in order to be saved, he has fallen away from the faith.

Galatians 5:3-5
I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. rsv

Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on the cross is the only blood sacrifice that saves us. The blood of animals do not save us.

Hebrews 13:20-21
Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, 21 equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in you that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. rsv

The Sabbath and its laws was commanded for the Israelites and the Jews. The Sabbath and its laws was never commanded for the non-Israelites and the non-Jews. The Christians celebrate their weekly rest day on Sunday which is the day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and defeated death.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and he prolonged his speech until midnight. rsv

1 Corinthians 16:1-3
Now concerning the contribution for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come. 3 And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem. rsv


God showed Peter that all foods could be eaten by both the Jewish Christian and the non-Jewish Christian and this includes swine. No food is spiritually unclean for the Christian.

Acts 10:9-16
The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common.” 16 This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven. rsv

Mark 7:18-20
And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. rsv
Hebrews 4:1-11 is referring to the rest that all faithful Christians will receive after Jesus comes again at His second coming.

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from · heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes indeed!” says the Spirit, “so they can rest from · their labors, · because their deeds will follow them!” rsv

To love God with your whole being and to love your neighbor as yourself
is the essence of the law/command of the OT Law. This is universal law. This law existed before Moses received the OT Law from God, and this law will remain forever.


 
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Are you talking about Paul? He kept sabbath many times (Acts 13:14,Acts 13:42-44, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4, Acts 18:11) as well as the feasts (Acts 18:21, Acts 20:6, Acts 20:16, Acts 27:9). Notice how it says they are a shadow of things to come. Not were, but are, written after Jesus died. The day of trumpets represents the rapture, the day of atonement represents the regeneration of nations Israel, and the feast of tabernacles represents the rein of Jesus as king of the earth. We also have confirmation that we will literally observe it when Jesus comes back as in Zechariah 14:16.

If you keep reading just a few verses you will see Paul is talking about the commandments of men, not God (Colossians 2:22). Paul kept the law his entire life (Acts 25:8). Whenever he seems to be trashing the law, I read it as him trashing the oral law, the traditions of men.

Perhaps Paul personally kept the OT law his whole life, but that is not what he taught others to do. I think that you will agree that circumcision is a requirement of the OT Law. Here are some things that Paul taught about circumcision:

Galatians 5:2
Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:18
Was any one at the time of his call already circumcised? Let him not seek to remove the marks of circumcision. Was any one at the time of his call uncircumcised? Let him not seek circumcision. rsv

1 Corinthians 7:19
For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God. rsv
The Old Covenant Circumcision Ritual is no longer a commandment of God for the New Covenant Christian.

 
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If you keep reading just a few verses you will see Paul is talking about the commandments of men, not God

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Here Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage.
Notice he used the word "covenant".
He is not talking here about the commandments of men. He is talking about the Sinai covenant.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Here again Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Paul tells the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai covenant.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

We are children of the New Covenant, instead of the Old.


Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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About that, where is your prophecy that does away with the Torah?
You must not read any of my posts. Are you afraid you just might learn something?

I don't have a prophesy and as far as I know there isn't any. What we do have that refutes Torah' existence is Paul's writings that 10 commandments, Torah, was temporary and replaced by the Holy Spirit 2or3:7-11
 
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Adam and Eve were required to keep the first commandment that was posted, but the Israelites were not required to keep that commandment. It did not apply to them.

The Israelites/Jews were required to keep the next four that were posted, but the Christians were not required to keep them. Also, to be specific: non-Jews were never required to keep the Saturday Sabbath. It did not apply to them.

The Christians Acts 11:26 are required to keep the last commandment that was posted. Here it is again:

Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

Christians/followers of Jesus Christ are not required to become Jews, but some Jews do become Christians/followers of Jesus Christ.


Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv

James 2:8
If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well. rsv

There are now no distinctions made with God between Jew and non-Jew (Gentile/Greek) in the Christian faith, even though some people do give themselves a national or genetic distinction.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. rsv



Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. rsv


Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all.
rsv
All believers in Jesus Christ are called Christians, but distinctions between Christian Jews and Christian non-Jews are not valid. These self-proclaimed distinctions have no lasting value for anyone who is Christian and they do not impress God.


Colossians 3:11
Here there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scyth′ian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all.
rsv


2 Corinthians 10:17-18
Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.” 18 For it is not the man who commends himself that is accepted, but the man whom the Lord commends. rsv




So you believe that we are only commanded to keep the last 5 commandments?
 
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You must not read any of my posts. Are you afraid you just might learn something?

I don't have a prophesy and as far as I know there isn't any. What we do have that refutes Torah' existence is Paul's writings that 10 commandments, Torah, was temporary and replaced by the Holy Spirit 2or3:7-11
Bob you say you don't know of any prophecy that does away with Torah. You mentioned in a previous posts that you don't know of any scripture that states the Torah is divided into moral and ceremonial laws.

Paul is hard to understand Peter even gave a disclaimer when reading Pauls writings.

2 Peter3:15-17
5 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, there are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

I don't want to see you carried away with the error of lawless people. Satan has lied from the beginning trying to keep people from following God.

The spirit is not contrary to the law the flesh is.

The law is spiritual and Holy and right and good. Romans 7:12.
 
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Can you show from the Greek text your addition or version (not appearing in the version on this site) is correct or even reasonable?
Is this an occasional failure or what is being practiced on a daily basis?

17 But thanks be to Elohim that you were slaves of sin,... .... ....
18 And having been set free from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness.



Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.
What happened to v 6 which says Now wea re delivered from the law?
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Romans 7:22 For delight in the law of God after the inward man.


but really, english is a VERY hard language to understand, eh? (no excuse though, for ANYONE who has the MIND OF CHRIST; rare, so rare)
Its not English, but the bits and pieces you cob together leaving out what offends your POV.

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