Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.
Gentiles aren't included in the OC.
bugkiller
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.Yes they are, so deleting everything that says "to the house of Israel" as if no gentile can be included - simply does not work in the actual Bible, because believing gentiles are often included in those same promises when it comes to worship and eternal life.
Bob study the bible maybe you'll learn something, and have something to share, I study it 2 to 4 hours a day, and have been studying 34 years.Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller
Bob study the bible
Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.
Gentiles aren't included in the OC.
bugkiller
Why do you keep the Sabbath and not the Lord's Day?
In "real life" we have this
1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)
2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.
3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.
4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.
5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.
6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.
7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.
8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13
=========================And this --
The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...
The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
========================================
Some would argue that such catholic documents should be ignored as if they express protestant views not catholic ones.
But the flaw in logic in such desperate efforts - is more than a little transparent
The Law of Moses (the Sabbath observances for the Israelites and the approx. 600 commandments contained in statutes and ordinances) was not Yehovah's Law for God's people before the time of Moses.
The circumcision laws and the Sabbath laws and its ordinances are not valid now for God's people, the followers of Jesus Christ. Luke 16:16
Cornelius knew God even though he was not a Jew.
He did not follow the Sabbath
Acts 15:22-29
The Jerusalem Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsab′bas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23 with the following letter: “The brethren, both the apostles and the elders, to the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cili′cia, greeting. 24 Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.” rsv
The Holy Spirit and the apostles require only the following things from the Law of Moses for the Gentile believers:
1. abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols
2. abstain from blood and from what is strangled
3. abstain from unchastity
What is the Moral Law that is required for all people to keep if they desire to inherit/enter into eternal life?
Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” nkjv
Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible, I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.
No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.
Since you don't obey the law I think your a false teacher about Christ.Does not mean what you have written into it.
Luke 16 - "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"
Because as we see in Acts 13, and in Acts 17:4 and in Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" - the god-fearing gentile believers were in synagogues - thus even in these examples hearing Gospel sermons ... "every Sabbath".
So then you "quote you" for that doctrine but as I just shows in Acts 18, Acts 17, Acts 13 the bible clearly refutes that speculation you offer.
Sadly that excludes Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
It excludes Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart".
It excludes Eph 6:2 "Honor your parents" - from Ex 20:12.
It excludes "Do not take God's name in vain" from Ex 20:7.
Fortunately both your "Dies Domini" document from Pope John Paul II and your own Catechism flatly deny the wild speculation that the TEN Commandments are NOT for mankind.
You just contradicted your own teaching when you claimed that only the rules found in Acts 15 apply to all.
Please choose the Bible. Or at the very least -- choose what your own church says about the Ten Commandments.
Please choose the Bible.
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller
Bob study the bible
Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible,
I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And the law is a heavy burden, so I don't think you know what your talking about.
Since you don't obey the law I think your a false teacher about Christ.
Using, well abusing the Bible certainly.Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.
No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.
What Gospel was preached to Abraham? When?"The GOSPEL was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:7.
"WE have had the Gospel preached to us just as THEY also" Heb 4:1-2
"They all drank from the same Spiritual Rock - and that Rock was CHRIST" 1Cor 10:4
Moses and Elijah stand with CHRIST in Matt 17.
And then of course -- Hebrews 11.
You must not be a God fearer.Does not mean what you have written into it.
Luke 16 - "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead"
Because as we see in Acts 13, and in Acts 17:4 and in Acts 18:4 "EVERY SABBATH" - the god-fearing gentile believers were in synagogues - thus even in these examples hearing Gospel sermons ... "every Sabbath".
Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.
Gentiles aren't included in the OC.
bugkiller
What Gospel was preached to Abraham? When?
bugkiller
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller
Bob study the bible
Using, well abusing the Bible certainly.
bugkiller
Micah chapter 6Turns out - this is the teaching of Christ --
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
In the Commandments of God - the 5th Commandment is "the FIRST Commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
This is the part in your post where you are certainly right.
No problem with that - and as you can see from the post you are quoting - I am sticking with the Bible on this one.
Do you see any "dark speech" or "parables" in what was just quoted?
When you "quote you" then use your own words as "scripture" you follow the dark-ages model.
Let's contrast your "quote of you" with the actual Bible.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
You don't keep the commandments.Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.Under the OC Israel was never promises eternal life.
If you mean as a religious distinction, no, but similarly you could say unbelievers aren't in the new covenant. Ethnic gentiles certainly could be included. There was a mixed multitude that came out of Egypt with the Israelites (Exodus 12:38).Gentiles aren't included in the OC.
Your own Catholic Catechism - commentary says it is I who keep both the Lord's Day AND the Sabbath according to the Bible -- and you do not. It is your own text saying it.!!
The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...
The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
========================================
As for why the RCC commentary on the Catechism may need to take another look at the Bible --
GOD speaks for God and HE already spoke to this point of changing His Law via church tradition. As we see in Mark 7:6-13
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it is shown via "Sola Scriptura" testing that it is traditions and "doctrines of men" that are at odds with scripture
Your own Pope John Paul II admits that the Sabbath commandment is for all mankind as are all the TEN commandments -- in his document "Dies Domini".
More Catholic argument - less free-lancing ... if you are going to present the Catholic POV.
The Sabbath was an Israelite / Jewish law. It was never, ever a Gentile law.
Pope John Paul observed the Catholic Ten Commandments.
"Love Me and KEEP my Commandments" EX 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
Oh my could I be banned for posting the truth here?
bugkiller
Bob study the bible
Jesus spoke in parables and it takes many years to understand the bible,
I don't see how you can preach the law when you don't obey it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And the law is a heavy burden, so I don't think you know what your talking about.
Micah chapter 6
8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly[a] with your God.
You don't keep the commandments.
Study the bible maybe you'll have something to share, maybe even some truth.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?