If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[BobRyan]

Here is an interesting link for you to chew on - http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ts/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

That article says this -

5. We cannot truly call on God, the Father of all, if we refuse to treat in a brotherly way any man, created as he is in the image of God. Man's relation to God the Father and his relation to men his brothers are so linked together that Scripture says: "He who does not love does not know God" (1 John 4:8).


No foundation therefore remains for any theory or practice that leads to discrimination between man and man or people and people, so far as their human dignity and the rights flowing from it are concerned.

The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion. On the contrary, following in the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, this sacred synod ardently implores the Christian faithful to "maintain good fellowship among the nations" (1 Peter 2:12), and, if possible, to live for their part in peace with all men,(14) so that they may truly be sons of the Father who is in heaven.(15)

I do find that interesting

You can see that several denominations such as the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Germany, which are not mentioned in your news article, have significantly larger claimed memberships than the SDA.

The Evangelical Church in Germany (German: Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland, abbreviated EKD) is a federation of twenty Lutheran, Reformed (Calvinist) and United (Prussian Union) Protestant regional and denominational churches in Germany,

grouping them all together - 24 million in 2012

Details matter.

In any case if you ever do find a fact that shows the Christianity Today folks to have made a mistake - let them know.

In the mean time "the actual point" was that the ideas posted here are not only accepted by the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world - they are also accepted by a great many other denominations and in the case of some points - even the RCC accepts the point.

 

[BABerean2]

The Millerite "Great Dissappointment" gets presented every single time we do an evangelistic program because we really really - really like that 2300 day timeline that Millerites discovered - that points to 1844.

Since Jesus did not come back on Oct. 22, 1844, as they had predicted, something must have happened, right...

Otherwise, they would have to admit they had been wrong...


Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

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[BobRyan]

Speaking of the 50,000 millerites

Since Jesus did not come back on Oct. 22, 1844, as they had predicted, something must have happened, right...

Otherwise, they would have to admit they had been wrong...

The millerites did say that their prediction was wrong - I thought we all knew that.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The disciples on Palm Sunday - were also wrong about what they "thought" was about to happen and they write about that as well -

Yet few of us would be so rash as to say that nothing of significance happened that week since their much-expected event is not what happened.

 

[BABerean2]

The disciples on Palm Sunday - were also wrong about what they "thought" was about to happen and they write about that as well -

Yet few of us would be so rash as to say that nothing of significance happened that week since their much-expected event is not what happened.

And what is the evidence that something else did happen during the week of Oct. 22, 1844?

It was not the Second Coming of Christ...

It was first thought to be "The Shut Door"...

And later is was decided it was not "The Shut Door"...

So where is the proof that an event actually occurred ?

http://whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

 

[Gary the Kid]

No one follows Christ (Jesus). I have never met anyone who followed where Jesus went when He left the Cross. Mark 15:38 the Temple is wide open. Ya think. Everyone has entered the Tomb, but no one has entered the Temple...... all refuse or can not see it. Wouldn't it be hilarious if The Father in Heaven opens His Heaven and not one person goes in.. Just like When the Father in Heaven Split the Red Sea and no Jews crossed it.........Same thing......And I hope that you would never believe that Satan and the Dark Side would ever place up a smoke screen.........Ever wonder why both the Jews and others are standing side by side peering into the Future waiting for, or return of the Messiah. Or why people argue about laws......tick tock, tick tock.

 

[Gary the Kid]

In Protestantism one of the key elements is "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice - and not so much focus on simply "ad hominem" to make a point. As I am sure we would all agree.

But the Bible describes an opposing model in Rev 12 to the "sola scriptura" testing model.

Rev 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

I think we are all familiar with that system.

In fact we see it as well in Rev 13

Rev 13
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.


Rev 3
11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

So then how is that "Sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition stated in the Bible?

Well we find one example of "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Don't forget in Revelations it's a un-named Angel giving the testament.........No thanks.......I won't take his name or mark on my forehead. I guess it's ok for others since the Angel said Jesus sent him........

 

[Gary the Kid]

And what is the evidence that something else did happen during the week of Oct. 22, 1844?

It was not the Second Coming of Christ...

It was first thought to be "The Shut Door"...

And later is was decided it was not "The Shut Door"...

So where is the proof that an event actually occurred ?

http://whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

The Shut Door, I rest my case..............

 

[bbbbbbb]

That article says this -



I do find that interesting



The Evangelical Church in Germany (German: Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland, abbreviated EKD) is a federation of twenty Lutheran, Reformed (Calvinist) and United (Prussian Union) Protestant regional and denominational churches in Germany,

grouping them all together - 24 million in 2012

Details matter.

In any case if you ever do find a fact that shows the Christianity Today folks to have made a mistake - let them know.

In the mean time "the actual point" was that the ideas posted here are not only accepted by the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world - they are also accepted by a great many other denominations and in the case of some points - even the RCC accepts the point.

From the same website we see that the Assemblies of God have 65 million members and Calvary Chapel has 25 million members.

 

[Jan001]

I know you guys believe in Amillennialism. A good thing to get your started to show you it is wrong is this great article: http://www.answersinrevelation.org/amill_003.pdf

Please note I acknowledge allegory in Scripture. But there are rules for allegory that must be followed. And Amillennialism breaks those rules.

Just wondering - How many more times do you think Jesus will return bodily to earth?

 

[Jan001]

Are you a Jew?

I don't see a Bible command that gentiles must be circumcised.

But I do see Paul having Timothy circumcised in Acts 16. Timothy was a Jew - a Christian Jew.

You are correct. There is no Biblical command that gentiles be circumcised.

Perhaps Paul circumcised Timothy because Paul was afraid of what some of the Jewish Christians would think and say about Timothy. If Timothy had been a Jew, he would have already been circumcised. Perhaps Paul thought that these Judaizers would reject Timothy's preaching about the non-necessity of circumcision for Christians because these Jews knew that Timothy was not a Jew before he became a Christian.

Acts 16:3
Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek. 2 He was well spoken of by the brethren who were at Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek. 4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered to them the decrees to keep, which were determined by the apostles and elders at Jerusalem. 5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and increased in number daily.

What decrees were necessary to keep?

Were circumcision and following the Law of Moses commanded by the apostles for the Christian converts? No.

Acts 15:24
Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment—

The apostles did not give commands to the non-Jewish Christians to become circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses. Instead, the apostles told these Christians that they were to abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. The apostles gave no commandment to the non-Jewish Christians to be circumcised and they gave no commandment to them to keep the Law of Moses.

Acts 15:23-29
They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

The trouble-making Judaizers told the non-Jewish Christians that they had to be circumcised and to keep the Law of Moses. The Council at Jerusalem sent out letters to the non-Jewish Christian leaders to tell them that their non-Jewish Christian brethren do not need to become circumcised and that they do not need to keep the Law of Moses. All they need to do is to abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. That's it. No Law of Moses and no circumcision are necessary for the Christian convert.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

Just wondering - How many more times do you think Jesus will return bodily to earth?

Scripturally, there will be a Second and Third Advent:

[Second Advent, starting the final 1,000 years, the 7,000th year, the "day" of the LORD]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

[Third Advent, ending the final 1,000 years, the 7,000th year, the "day" of the LORD]

Zechariah 14:4 KJV - And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
​

[Thus the separation of the 1,000 years between, both Escatological Advents]

Isaiah 24:1 KJV - Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Isaiah 24:22 KJV - And they shall be gathered together, [as] prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Revelation 20:1 KJV - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 KJV - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 KJV - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 KJV - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 KJV - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 KJV - Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 KJV - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

 

[Jan001]

Bingo, I also don't see one that Christians must keep Sabbath.

No, it's not in there.
But, we are definitely told to ignore any and all people who say that we Christians have to keep the Law of Moses' dietary laws, festivals, new moon requirements, and Sabbath requirements.

Colossians 2:14-17
[Jesus] having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Galatians 5:3
And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

I certainly do not want to keep the whole Law of Moses!​

Galatians 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
​

I do not desire to become an enemy of Christ, therefore I will not follow the Law of Moses. If I would think it necessary to follow the Law of Moses in order to be saved, I would forfeit my salvation. I would fall from grace. I would no longer have the grace necessary to inherit eternal life.

 

[Jan001]

Scripturally, there will be a Second and Third Advent:

[Second Advent, starting the final 1,000 years, the 7,000th year, the "day" of the LORD]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

[Third Advent, ending the final 1,000 years, the 7,000th year, the "day" of the LORD]

Zechariah 14:4 KJV - And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
​

[Thus the separation of the 1,000 years between, both Escatological Advents]

Isaiah 24:1 KJV - Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

Isaiah 24:22 KJV - And they shall be gathered together, [as] prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Revelation 20:1 KJV - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 KJV - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 KJV - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 KJV - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 KJV - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 KJV - Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 KJV - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

According to Scripture Jesus only returns bodily to earth once more.

Hebrews 9:26-28
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. nkjv

Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. kjv
​

Thessalonians 4:16-17 happens when Jesus returns to earth the second time at the end of time very shortly before the great white throne judgment/sheep and goats judgment/day of the judgment/judgment seat of Christ/day of the Lord. There is only one general judgment and it is of all people together and it takes place after Jesus takes His remaining followers from earth to heaven with Him at the very end of time.

Romans 2:5
But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

Romans 14:10
But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
​

The earth will be made new at this same time.

2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
​

The righteous/meek will inherit the earth after the great white throne judgment of all the nations and peoples, but the evildoers will be thrown into the lake of fire for all eternity.

The thousand years reign of Jesus and His saints in heaven is symbolic for the unknown quantity of years which occur between Christ's first coming and His second/final coming.

"Thousand" as in "thousand years" or "thousand generations" is symbolic.

Psalm 105:8
He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
​

According to a Rabbi I consulted a while back, there have been less than 100 generations between Abraham and the Jews of today (his calculations I do not have on this particular computer so I cannot quote him exactly) and this particular time period between Abraham and the Rabbi encompasses about 4000 years. Also, the Old Covenant became obsolete/no longer used when Jesus died on the cross and thereby mediated/put in force His New Covenant.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
​

Satan was chained/bound when Jesus died on the cross. Binding/chaining Satan means to keep him from using his full power. This was necessary in order for the Apostles to be able to be successful in preaching the gospel to the whole known world at that time.

Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
​

Perhaps Satan is unbound now. With the atrocities of the 20th century and the immorality that is escalating more and more each year, it seems he is being given more and more of his power back as the time for Jesus' second/final coming approaches.

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[Acts24Fourteen]

According to Scripture Jesus only returns bodily to earth once more.

Hebrews 9:26-28
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 2...​

No, you just misread it. Read it again:

Hebrews 9:26 KJV - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:27 KJV - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 9:28 KJV - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.​

The "once" ["once offered to bear sins"] in the "end of the world" is specifically speaking about the "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, which took place approx 2,000 years ago [aka, two "days" with the LORD ago.] Jesus Christ appeared at the First Advent, after 4,000 Years [aka 4 "days" with the LORD]. Thus He appeared at the end of this world's week, being in the final portion of the Great Week [7 Days, 6,000 Years + 1,000 Years].

Notice that the last portion of Hebrews 9:28, reveals that we [Christians] are to "look for Him" to "appear the second time" "without sin" "unto salvation". The Second Advent is for the collection of the Saints/Christians. Thus they after that point are "ever with" the LORD. They [Christians] do not need to "look for him" a third time, since they are ever "with" Him after that. hence, "Titus 2:13 KJV - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Hebrews 10:27, reveals others looking for something else, which does not take place until after the 1,000 years in fulness, hence the 'third' Advent:

Hebrews 10:27 KJV - But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

...Satan was chained/bound when Jesus died on the cross. ...

No, for read:

1 Peter 5:8 KJV - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Revelation 12:13 KJV - And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

Daniel 7:21 KJV - I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Revelation 13:7 KJV - And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 12:17 KJV - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

 

[Acts24Fourteen]

... There is only one general judgment and it is of all people together ...​

No. If you would like to see that Scripturally, please begin with me in the other thread already made to discuss it [as even the text you cited, Hebrews 9:27 KJB, - "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:", refutes the erroneous idea of a "one general judgment ... all people together...", for read prayerfully and carefully and we shall see]:

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...nement-and-judgment-now-taking-place.7914415/

There are materials therein already posted, but if you refuse to consider them, I will, by the grace of God, show you manually from the scriptures [KJB], line upon line.​

 

[BABerean2]

No. If you would like to see that Scripturally, please begin with me in the other thread already made to discuss it [as even the text you cited, Hebrews 9:27 KJB, - "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:", refutes the erroneous idea of a "one general judgment ... all people together...", for read prayerfully and carefully and we shall see]:

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...nement-and-judgment-now-taking-place.7914415/

There are materials therein already posted, but if you refuse to consider them, I will, by the grace of God, show you manually from the scriptures [KJB], line upon line.​

What did Jesus say?


Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.



Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The Book of Revelation is made up of a series of overlapping visions.
It is not in chronological order. The end is found in chapters 6, 11, 14, 16, 19, 20, etc.

However, this thread is getting off track. This topic is better suited for the part of the forum that deals with eschatology.

I thought we were talking about keeping the commandments...
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[BobRyan]

Speaking of the 50,000 millerites (vs 50 Adventist and the Adventist church that organizes 20 years later)

The millerites did say that their prediction was wrong (it was not the second coming) - I thought we all knew that.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The disciples on Palm Sunday - were also wrong about what they "thought" was about to happen and they write about that as well -

Yet few of us would be so rash as to say that nothing of significance happened that week since their much-expected event is not what happened.

And what is the evidence that something else did happen during the week of Oct. 22, 1844?

Well - Daniel 7 points to that event that would happen before the 2nd coming
And Daniel 8 gives us the 2300 year timeline that points to that event.
And Daniel 9 gives us the start for that 2300 year timeilne as well as the start for the 490 year timeline pointing to the first coming of Christ.

Rev 14:6-7 says that near the time of the 2nd coming - a gospel message would go to the entire world "fear God and give glory to Him for the HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT HAS COME - worship him who made the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water"

Rev 11 says "the time came to judge the dead" - that judgment event - future to the day of John - would start with the cases of the dead - starting with those who lived at the time of Adam.

It was not the Second Coming of Christ...

Indeed - as stated above - I thought we all knew that part.

It was first thought to be "The Shut Door"...

And later is was decided it was not "The Shut Door"...

So where is the proof that an event actually occurred ?

http://whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

The shut door as stated earlier was what the Millerites were thinking because they expected the 2nd coming then and thought that no evangelism would be done after the 2nd coming - so short delay (as they thought) then the 2nd coming left them supposing no more evangelism for a few months.

The disciples on Palm Sunday - were also wrong about what they "thought" was about to happen and they write about that as well -

Yet few of us would be so rash as to say that nothing of significance happened that week since their much-expected event is not what happened.

 

[BobRyan]

However, this thread is getting off track. This topic is better suited for the part of the forum that deals with eschatology.

I thought we were talking about keeping the commandments...

That is true - I did not bring up the prophecy topic - I only pointed out that keeping the commandments is a common theme not only for a large group like SDAs - but also for well-known pro-sunday scholarship as is noted in the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist confession of Faith" and D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon and Matthew Henry and Catholic documents such as the CCC and Dies Domini and 'The Faith Explained" etc. Because a few posts were saying that only SDAs would notice these Bible details supporting the Commandments of God in the NT as including the TEN Commandments.

 

[BobRyan]

According to Scripture Jesus only returns bodily to earth once more.​

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That is true - it is after the 1000 years. Prior to that when He comes physically to earth the saints are "caught up in the air" to meet him - 1Thess 4 and it is then that He takes the saints "to His Father's house" John 14:1-3 to fulfill that promise made. So at the 2nd coming He does not actually touch earth - but rather He does the Rev 19 thing of destroying the wicked and the 1Thess 4 thing of taking all the saints up to heaven.