If you kill someone

[BelievingIsObeying]

In order....
1. The point i was making, was : A "brother" is a real genuine CHristian Man and your "Sister" is a real genuine Christian lady.

1.a. If a person came at you with a knife yelling "Im a Christian, Im a Christian..." you can safely assume that he is only in his Mind (which doesnt count) .

1.b. The Bible says you can get a pretty good idea as to what a person is like, by looking at their Fruits -- whether good or bad.

2. Yes...absolutely God permits killing a Perpetrator if that Perp. is trying to take the life of an innocent person. In fact, its your responsibility to stand up against such evil and not to be silent . How would you feel if afterward you knew in your heart that you could have prevented that, but didnt or could care less about it ?

3. I have no proof that Z would have been killed. He may have or if his head was in fact being smashed into the concrete , he might have had irrepairable brain damage. The point im making is : The entire confrontation could have been avoided had Z had chose to wait for the police to come after phoning them from his car. The idea behind carrying a gun for protection is to AVOID at all costs (even ego and pride) , getting into dangerous situations in the first place as much as it depends on you.

1. My brothers and sisters are every other human.

1a. What about Abraham? Should his son have killed him when he started coming after him with a knife for self defense? Or should Abraham killed himself for trying to take the life of the innocent?

1b. Of course

2. How about 'do not resist an evil person'?

 

[bhsmte]

I completely agree, live by this fact.



Everything is a 50/50 chance. Either it's going to happen or not. Life exists by proof but the future can not be proven. I don't do assumptions.

Everything is a 50/50 chance?

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Everything is a 50/50 chance?

Absolutely.

 

[bhsmte]

Absolutely.

So, it's 50/50 whether the sun comes up tomorrow?

50/50 whether you go to the bathroom today?

50/50 whether you eat today?

50/50 whether it ever rains again?

etc, etc, etc....

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

So, it's 50/50 whether the sun comes up tomorrow?

50/50 whether you go to the bathroom today?

50/50 whether you eat today?

50/50 whether it ever rains again?

etc, etc, etc....

Yes, because the world could end in the next hour or not, making all of those 50/50

If it ends, then none of those will happen.

Everything is either going to happen or not going to happen.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, because the world could end in the next hour or not, making all of those 50/50

If it ends, then none of those will happen.

Well, thats not how probabilities are determined. You should read up on it.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Well, thats not how probabilities are determined. You should read up on it.

I've read about probabilities, the problem is they aren't always right, where as 50/50 is always right.

 

[bhsmte]

I've read about probabilities, the problem is they aren't always right, where as 50/50 is always right.

Really? Give me an example of how 50/50 is always correct, when it comes to predicting what will happen. And for it to be correct, you would have to prove that an event happens 50% of the time and doesn't happen 50% of the time.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Really? Give me an example of how 50/50 is always correct, when it comes to predicting what will happen. And for it to be correct, you would have to prove that an event happens 50% of the time and doesn't happen 50% of the time.

Everything is just as likely to happen as to not happen. Predictions are not always right and solely based on previous experiences. It is correct that there is a 50% chance of something happening and 50% chance of it not happening. If predictions based on the number of occurrences an event happened in the past could predict the future, then weather men would be much more liked, but as it goes it's a total guess, with an infinite number of random variables able to influence the result of any conclusion, 50/50 is the only bet.

 

[bhsmte]

Everything is just as likely to happen as to not happen. Predictions are not always right and solely based on previous experiences. It is correct that there is a 50% chance of something happening and 50% chance of it not happening. If predictions based on the number of occurrences an event happened in the past could predict the future, then weather men would be much more liked, but as it goes it's a total guess, with an infinite number of random variables able to influence the result of any conclusion, 50/50 is the only bet.

Clearly, you don't know how true mathematical probabilities work.

To say the sun coming up tomorrow has a 50/50 chance is insane. You would need to show the sun hadn't come up 50% of the time in the past. If you can't, your 50/50 claim is bogus.

Now, if you want to talk about the world ending. What is the probability of that occurring? The earth has been here for billions of years without ending and you think there is a 50% chance it ends tomorrow?

 

[dayhiker]

I agree with a million plus different things that can happen tomorrow, I don't see the chances as 50/50.
But as imprecise as we are in saying what a person might do, 50/50 while not true, communicated that I don't really know what will happen in the future.

 

[mjmcmillan]

There is a 100 percent chance that I won't take BIO's recommendation on buying lottery tickets. Given his odds, if I buy I should win 50 percent of the time. Anybody who has ever messed with the lottery at all should know better than that, the actual chances that I would win are infinitesimally small. So small that I stand approximately the same chance of winning whether or not I play. (If I don't play, I can't win, if I do play I won't win, so-- no real difference.)

Fifty-fifty just doesn't work when we encounter real-life events. If I forget my keys on the kitchen table, going out to the car in the belief that there's a 50-50 chance the door will be unlocked is beyond idiotic. I'd better go back and get the keys. If I meet a thug on the street and he issues one of those "your money or your life" challenges, it would be foolish to assume there's a 50 percent chance he's bluffing. It might be wise to figure out the best way to meet that challenge. Trying to say there's a 50-50 chance of the sun coming up tomorrow--- oh, brother. The sun has only been coming up every morning since the beginning of time, and the dynamics of Earth's orbit, it's rotation and so on don't show any signs of sleeping in tomorrow morning, so-- maybe you'd better get ready for church tomorrow morning, eh? I think we can safely discard that 50-50 nonsense.

Thought for today: Would you get on a plane if you really believed there was a 50-50 chance that the plane could break up at 35,000 feet? Or would you run as far away from that plane as you could?

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Clearly, you don't know how true mathematical probabilities work.

To say the sun coming up tomorrow has a 50/50 chance is insane. You would need to show the sun hadn't come up 50% of the time in the past. If you can't, your 50/50 claim is bogus.

Now, if you want to talk about the world ending. What is the probability of that occurring? The earth has been here for billions of years without ending and you think there is a 50% chance it ends tomorrow?

Yes, there is a 50% chance of the world ending tomorrow.
I heard about a local man having a heart attack and dying today, he had never had a heart attack before. How does your probability explain this?

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

There is a 100 percent chance that I won't take BIO's recommendation on buying lottery tickets. Given his odds, if I buy I should win 50 percent of the time. Anybody who has ever messed with the lottery at all should know better than that, the actual chances that I would win are infinitesimally small. So small that I stand approximately the same chance of winning whether or not I play. (If I don't play, I can't win, if I do play I won't win, so-- no real difference.)

Fifty-fifty just doesn't work when we encounter real-life events. If I forget my keys on the kitchen table, going out to the car in the belief that there's a 50-50 chance the door will be unlocked is beyond idiotic. I'd better go back and get the keys. If I meet a thug on the street and he issues one of those "your money or your life" challenges, it would be foolish to assume there's a 50 percent chance he's bluffing. It might be wise to figure out the best way to meet that challenge. Trying to say there's a 50-50 chance of the sun coming up tomorrow--- oh, brother. The sun has only been coming up every morning since the beginning of time, and the dynamics of Earth's orbit, it's rotation and so on don't show any signs of sleeping in tomorrow morning, so-- maybe you'd better get ready for church tomorrow morning, eh? I think we can safely discard that 50-50 nonsense.

Thought for today: Would you get on a plane if you really believed there was a 50-50 chance that the plane could break up at 35,000 feet? Or would you run as far away from that plane as you could?

I would get on the plane, because I trust God to keep me safe at all times, but I am ready and willing to die whenever He calls me.

 

[blackribbon]

Everything is a 50/50 chance. Either it's going to happen or not. Life exists by proof but the future can not be proven. I don't do assumptions.

Actually the fact the sun is going to rise is greater than a 50% chance and is close to a 100% but we know one day it won't anymore.

If the humidity level is close to 100%, then the chance of rain is also close to 100%.

We all live life by assumptions. Unless you verify that ever chair is stable and behind you before you sit down, you are living an assumption that that chair will hold you.

If you every head out of your house with just enough time to get where you are going, you are making an assumption that your car will start and that there will be no obstacles that will hinder your travel...even if you schedule some extra time, you are assuming that you won't get behind a huge fatality that blocks the freeway for 6 hours (complete stand still). And you are also assuming that you won't be in an accident yourself.

We all live by assumptions. We can't live by proof. It isn't possible.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Actually the fact the sun is going to rise is greater than a 50% chance and is close to a 100% but we know one day it won't anymore.

If the humidity level is close to 100%, then the chance of rain is also close to 100%.

We all live life by assumptions. Unless you verify that ever chair is stable and behind you before you sit down, you are living an assumption that that chair will hold you.

If you every head out of your house with just enough time to get where you are going, you are making an assumption that your car will start and that there will be no obstacles that will hinder your travel...even if you schedule some extra time, you are assuming that you won't get behind a huge fatality that blocks the freeway for 6 hours (complete stand still). And you are also assuming that you won't be in an accident yourself.

We all live by assumptions. We can't live by proof. It isn't possible.

There is a difference between trusting and assuming.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, there is a 50% chance of the world ending tomorrow.
I heard about a local man having a heart attack and dying today, he had never had a heart attack before. How does your probability explain this?

You know what, lets just forgot about it.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

You know what, lets just forgot about it.

Ok. . Wait...what were we talking about?

 

[blackribbon]

There is a difference between trusting and assuming.

okay...enlighten me

Whom or what do I trust that the sun will rise or that my car will start?

I trust that God will take care of me whether or not the sun rises, but I assume that it will happen or I wouldn't have a calendar of appointments. (I wish that it wouldn't).

I really don't pray to see if I really believe that two weeks from next Tuesday will really happen before I make a dental appointment. I might pray that it trip won't be more expensive than I can afford. That is where I start trusting that God will provide.

 

[mjmcmillan]

The conversation between BIO and Bhs is beginning to sound a little like this:

All of this 50-50 chance stuff is for the birds anyway, nobody could actually plan any kind of life that way.