If you kill someone

[BelievingIsObeying]

okay...enlighten me

Whom or what do I trust that the sun will rise or that my car will start?

I trust that God will take care of me whether or not the sun rises, but I assume that it will happen or I wouldn't have a calendar of appointments. (I wish that it wouldn't).

I really don't pray to see if I really believe that two weeks from next Tuesday will really happen before I make a dental appointment. I might pray that it trip won't be more expensive than I can afford. That is where I start trusting that God will provide.

I can not tell you whom or what to trust, that's up to you.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

The conversation between BIO and Bhs is beginning to sound a little like this:

All of this 50-50 chance stuff is for the birds anyway, nobody could actually plan any kind of life that way.

Am I the cop or driver? LOL

We can plan our lives as much as we want, yet things always come up that change plans. Thus, I don't plan.

 

[mjmcmillan]

Failing to plan is planning to fail. That's the old saying, anyway. Something to consider while you're planning nothing.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

Failing to plan is planning to fail. That's the old saying, anyway. Something to consider while you're planning nothing.

The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry....something to consider while you're planning.

 

[blackribbon]

The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry....something to consider while you're planning.

Life changes but that does not mean don't make a plan...just stay flexible.

 

[blackribbon]

I can not tell you whom or what to trust, that's up to you.

What does this mean?

Who do YOU "trust" about things that the rest of us just assume are "givens" until proven otherwise? And how do you demonstrate that this is "trust" and not "assumptions".

(I already know about me and described them).

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Neighborhood watches and concealed handgun permits have been around for over 30 years. I don't expect to see any rise in cases.

And if my son had attacked a man and was assaulting him the way I believe Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, yes, I would believe he deserved to die....I would mourn him deeply, but that wouldn't erase that he got killed trying to harm someone else.

Doubt it! And if you really did act that way, WOW!

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

What does this mean?

Who do YOU "trust" about things that the rest of us just assume are "givens" until proven otherwise? And how do you demonstrate that this is "trust" and not "assumptions".

(I already know about me and described them).

I put all of my trust in God.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Failing to plan is planning to fail. That's the old saying, anyway. Something to consider while you're planning nothing.

My husband used that saying alot. He would say "If you don't have a plan, you have a plan to fail" and I consider that to be true.

 

[blackribbon]

Doubt it! And if you really did act that way, WOW!

If my son was willing to kill, I'd rather he die than kill others. Why is that so hard to believe?

I wouldn't stop loving him...but I also believe that we make choices in life and have to suffer the consequences...especially when they harm others. I hate it when those consequences are hard to bear, but I let my kids face them...I stand along side of them though so they don't have to be alone.

 

[blackribbon]

I put all of my trust in God.

But God doesn't promise you a tomorrow. If you put gas in your car tonight or make plans for tomorrow, you are behaving in a way that is consistent with the assumption that tomorrow will come on schedule. That isn't about trust.

A pregnant woman can put all her trust in God, but if she doesn't assume that there will actually be a live baby in her arms in 9 months and have a plan that includes healthy habits for that time period...that new baby can have a host of problems that have nothing to do with anything beyond the consequences of living in a fallen world. God never promises us perfect health on this earth. So assumptions and planning become important. A baby with health problems is not a failure by God.

It is a good thing that Joseph was willing to listen to God and actually come up with a plan to address the potential massive famine. He trusted and planned....and was able to bless his own family as a result.

 

[sedonarose]

What are your thoughts about killing someone and possibly getting away with it. I don't mean any of us would be thinking of doing this. I am watching the Zimmerman/Martin trial and it's not disputed that Zimmerman killed Martin, but he says it was self defense but regardless he shot a 17 year old kid dead.
For me, I think even if it WAS self defense, he should still do some time. For me, it's no different than if you "accidentally" kill someone while driving in a car and an accident happens. You maybe didn't TRY to have an accident or kill anyone, but alot of times if someone dies, you will be charged with any number of charges, but it could even be involuntary manslaughter.

There are alot of people that think Zimmerman should be acquitted. And it just makes me think "wow, so we now have a society that in "some" cases, it is actually OK to murder someone?

What do you think?

I know I'm digging for threads again, Michelle

I agree w/this. With the Zimmerman/Martin case, I do believe the particular incident was self defense. But I can't believe they let him off scott-free. Like you, I feel like he still should have done some time for involuntary manslaughter. This case really opened a big can of worms. By the way, have you seen how many times Zimmerman has been in the news for various misdemeanors since he was acquitted? He obviously does not like to follow the rules.

That being said, I think anyone who murders someone should be held accountable for their actions whether it is self defense or not. What kind of message are we sending when there are no consequences for taking a human life?

 

[Texas101]

Murder is the intentional taking a life without just cause. The Bible says we shouldn't murder another. There are occasions in which during war or self defense a person will end life in order to preserve that their own or the life of another.

If a person is killed as a result of an accident the individual is not held culpable because the event was an accident.

Having an automobile accident were someone is killed and the driver was driving with excessive speed the driver could held responsible for reckless or negligent behavior and charged with manslaughter.

Failing to reasonable secure a construction site that someone wanders onto and is killed could also fall under negligence.

Manslaughter usually means someone was killed but the loss of life was not premeditated or intentional.

 

[bobross]

He did that for you. You could live in a communist country where you couldn't even access the internet to be able to post stupid things.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

And....they are being shot at too. What would you have him do? He was a Marine doing his job. Also I did not know that you could not be a Christian if you cussed. Wow!

 

[PrayerWarrior88]

 

[dustinthewind]

This a war zone, not a children's playground. If there are women & children there, it is because there are cowardly governments that hide behind women and children. Our military still tries to avoid killing civilians whenever possible...but people die and that is a truth of war. War is as old as time. Your freedom to sit here and disparage the military was bought at the end of a gun. War is not pretty but it is not "murder".

These men are not blindly shooting at anything that moves..they are continuously identifying what they are shooting at and they CAN see what they are shooting at even if you can't. This is a video of true courage even if you are too blind to see it. Thank you for sharing this because it will hopefully remind the rest of us that there are still men and women putting theirselves in harms way daily to protect other people's rights to worship, govern, and speak freely. We need to pray for them daily.

We will pray for you. I do not know why you have so much hatred in your heart.

Q.F.T. i knew there was a reason dan didn't want me to join the marine corps. good lookin' out, man. i'm happy to be a squid! i have to admit i'd be terrified. i like how he's the only one walking around with no cover though. that's pretty hardcore. much respect. also, chinchillin, they don't just shoot random people. sometimes they might get caught in the crossfire. it's sad but that's war. the women over there get treated like garbage so it wouldn't surprise me if them and the children got thrown in front as a shield. but these men have to do what they have to do. maybe you should join the military eh? then maybe you'd be singing a different tune. dan, i hope you can hear my thanks up there in heaven.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

But he wasn't just left with his thoughts, was he? He was also left with the thoughts that people like you put into his head, that he was nothing but a no good murderer. He did not always have those thoughts. And YES brain injuries can make you do stupid things. Because of his brain injury and other injuries, he had a lot of anger inside and it came out thru violence and at some point it became violence against his wife, hence the restraining order. When he needed people in his life they left him. And then he came here and started interacting with people here and then some of those people started filling his head with all THEIR thoughts about what he had done as his JOB in the Marines. When you are a Marine or in the military you do not get to pick and choose which jobs you will do or not do. You do as you are commanded to do.
Maybe, just maybe, if people wouldn't have been so hateful of his duties as a Marine, maybe he would still be here. I would not want to answer to God for causing this man to take his life. In the end it was his choice to take, but he was listening to all the thoughts of the haters that said he was a murderer.

 

[Doctor Strangelove]

i agree doctor Strangelove. but the marine corps in notorious for being the red headed stepchild when it comes to weapons and gear. which is pretty messed up since they are almost always the first ones in. when i was on FOB in Afghanistan, the marines were in refueling and loading up and they were actually making their own armor for the vehicles with pieces of metal roofing and such. it was pretty crazy. they are the smallest branch of the military though so they don't get the funding. they are always trying to "borrow" our stuff lol. .50 cal would have been nice in this situation but you have to work with what you got. i agree the .223 should go away but it still looked like they were doing some damage. and yes i agree with the last sentence

It sounds like the Marines are a victim of the old do more with less mantra. The Russians you know made much use of snipers in WWII and that seemed to be effective. And I guess a sniper, a spotter, and a rifle and gear just doesn't sound all that exciting to some decision makers, but a multimillion dollar drone, well, that's exciting and there can be lucrative contracts for that sort of thing, if you know what I mean.

 

[bobross]

I think it's a travesty that we send our men into war with primitive gear and weaponry. I know we spend way too much on war already, but I feel like the funds should be shifted from, as you were pointing out, drones and other similar programs. However, I think the point here is that we can Monday morning quarterback it all we want, but those Marines did a damn good job with what they had. They were spotting all their shots and I'm sure amidst the chaos they were still hitting the vast majority of their targets. There's an old saying by U.S. Army General Pershing - "The deadliest weapon in the world is a MARINE and his rifle!" Snipers have their advantages in certain situations, but in an all out firefight, there's not much they can really do. But that's not really the point here. The point is, Dan was doing his job. He did it well and led his squad to what appeared to be no casualties. And he is not a bad person for doing a job that needs to be done, regardless of anyone's beliefs.