If you kill someone

[memoriesbymichelle]

I don't think Z had ill will. I think he wanted to be the "hero" and get these F'n punks that always get away.
And while the friend did say he was right by the house. We don't exactly know what that means. I could be 3 blocks away and say I'm right by the house. No proof he doubled back either. He also told his friend on the phone after he thought he lost him, that "he's right behind me!" And if someone was getting their head pounded and pounded and pounded as Z said I would expect bigger injuries than 2 tiny little cuts and I would expect him to possibly have a concussion. He also did his MMA thing the next day. He needed no stitches and his nose was NOT broken, and that is according to testimony by the nurse that saw him.

Again, none of my opinions matter, MJM is correct the jury did what they did because the state didn't prove their case, but that does NOT mean that Z was in the right, IMO.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Also according to Z's testimony he said Trayvon said to him "You got a problem?" to which he responded "No I don't got a problem" why didn't he RIGHT THEN AND THERE say "Hey I'm the neighborhood watch and I don't recognize you living around here" WHY? But he didn't.

 

[bhsmte]

Also according to Z's testimony he said Trayvon said to him "You got a problem?" to which he responded "No I don't got a problem" why didn't he RIGHT THEN AND THERE say "Hey I'm the neighborhood watch and I don't recognize you living around here" WHY? But he didn't.

Well, he answered Martin's question and stated he didn't have a problem, which would seem to be an answer that shouldn't be considered a threat. Maybe, Zimmerman was planning to tell him who he was after he told him he didn't have a problem, but he didn't have a chance to, because he was punched after his initial response.

We can speculate on this stuff forever, but there is no evidence that Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman that night.

A lot of people have speculated things may have been different if Martin was white and yet, there is zero evidence that Zimmerman profiled Martin based on race. There is another question we could speculate on; would Martin have attacked Zimmerman if he was black?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

well I can't speculate on that because I don't believe Martin did attack. And if that conversation is even remotely true, why was Z so close Martin could punch him? and he still could have said something while he was supposedly getting his head pounded.

Again, the jury has spoken. Times are difficult and it's getting easier and easier IMO, to disappear and kill people. Thankfully God knows the truth.

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

No you wouldnt because except for suicide Bombers, we all have a very strong desire for self preservation (wanting to survive and live) . If you were in War or faced with an intruder coming at you with a long knife...your normal reaction would be to defend yourself by flight or fight and if you couldnt flight...then you would indeed fight (you wouldnt just lay there and be unmercifully murdered) .

I would not intentionally hurt my brother, defense can be used and cause no harm to the attacker. I spent many years in a martial arts class and learned that there are many aspects of self defense, like block, redirect, flee, reason, etc. I don't think you can tell me what I would or wouldn't do. I have been to war, I have been shot at state side, I have had many aggressors intend to attack me, but only one has done harm and I simply turned the other cheek and walked away. I'm ready to die, I'm not ready to kill.

 

[blackribbon]

Trayvon described himself as a "gangsta". Had been suspended from school multiple times. Was accused of assaulting a teacher...which his dad didn't deny. Smoked pot. His mother had kicked him out and sent him to live with his dad.

What part of this description makes you believe that this "kid" was one who would have been the type to quietly try to go home ? The behavior of Trayvon described by Zimmerman is exactly what I see "kids" of his age exhibiting. He got glory among his friends for acting like the tough guy...not honor roll or Eagle Scout nerdy awards for them.

 

[bhsmte]

well I can't speculate on that because I don't believe Martin did attack. And if that conversation is even remotely true, why was Z so close Martin could punch him? and he still could have said something while he was supposedly getting his head pounded.

Again, the jury has spoken. Times are difficult and it's getting easier and easier IMO, to disappear and kill people. Thankfully God knows the truth.

So, you believe Zimmerman started the altercation and Martin just responded in kind?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Trayvon described himself as a "gangsta". Had been suspended from school multiple times. Was accused of assaulting a teacher...which his dad didn't deny. Smoked pot. His mother had kicked him out and sent him to live with his dad.

What part of this description makes you believe that this "kid" was one who would have been the type to quietly try to go home ? The behavior of Trayvon described by Zimmerman is exactly what I see "kids" of his age exhibiting. He got glory among his friends for acting like the tough guy...not honor roll or Eagle Scout nerdy awards for them.

Doesn't mean he should be shot and killed.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

So, you believe Zimmerman started the altercation and Martin just responded in kind?

I'm not sure exactly who started what, really. One thing I can say, is I do NOT believe everything Z said is the truth. He was trying to save his butt from being put in jail, that's the way I see it.

I just feel that Z had opportunities to say WHO he was and why he was following him and he never did that. And it would not make a difference to me, if the kid was white, asian or purple. When Z first saw him, he could have yelled out "hey! what are you doing?" long before any altercation took place. It's just my opinion. Like I said, we don't really know and never will know. Sad IMO.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not sure exactly who started what, really. One thing I can say, is I do NOT believe everything Z said is the truth. He was trying to save his butt from being put in jail, that's the way I see it.

I just feel that Z had opportunities to say WHO he was and why he was following him and he never did that. And it would not make a difference to me, if the kid was white, asian or purple. When Z first saw him, he could have yelled out "hey! what are you doing?" long before any altercation took place. It's just my opinion. Like I said, we don't really know and never will know. Sad IMO.

If you think Zimmerman spewed lies, why did his story match up with all the physical evidence and eye witness testimony? Why would he agree to take a lie detector test and take the risk of lies being exposed? It's not like, he had time to make up a story, as the police arrived within 30 seconds of when Martin was shot. There is a reason the original DA and police didn't feel they had probable cause to arrest him, because his story checked out and the police tried all kinds of tricks to get him to trip himself up, as they typically do with suspects.

I will grant you this, Zimmerman likely exaggerated the amount of times his head was hit against the cement, but his injuries still matched up with what he explained happened and what the eye witness saw. The expert witness who is a world class medical examiner, also stated the injuries he suffered matched up with his story and could have certainly caused someone to feel fear of great bodily injury.

 

[bhsmte]

Doesn't mean he should be shot and killed.

No, it doesn't mean he should have been shot and killed, the fact that Zimmerman felt in fear of great bodily injury was the reason for the shot being fired.

Martin's background was irrelevant to the case, as was Zimmerman's. But, if there is a civil case, both Zimmerman's and Martin's backgrounds will be open season for the attorney's to present deeper meaning to what happened that night and why.

 

[blackribbon]

Doesn't mean he should be shot and killed.

As long as he wasn't trying to kill or seriously injure someone else. The physical evidence did line up with Zimmerman's story. It also follows common sense for the behaviors of the personalities involved.

If he had behaved like he should have....he would still be alive.

 

[PetLuv]

As long as he wasn't trying to kill or seriously injure someone else. The physical evidence did line up with Zimmerman's story. It also follows common sense for the behaviors of the personalities involved.

If he had behaved like he should have....he would still be alive.

QFT

 

[TheyCallMeDavid]

I would not intentionally hurt my brother, defense can be used and cause no harm to the attacker. I spent many years in a martial arts class and learned that there are many aspects of self defense, like block, redirect, flee, reason, etc. I don't think you can tell me what I would or wouldn't do. I have been to war, I have been shot at state side, I have had many aggressors intend to attack me, but only one has done harm and I simply turned the other cheek and walked away. I'm ready to die, I'm not ready to kill.

A 'Brother' is not everyone, but, a fellow Christian only. So if an Attacker came at you with a long sharp knife is it extremely unlikely that he would be fellow Brother Christian. Secondly, having options available to us to excersise in a deadly confrontation is vastly different than having no options available to save our own life (or the life of a loved one who is before us) . Lastly, God permits killing in self defense so long as it is absolutely justified and as a very last resort because God values the life of the Innocent . That said...as much as it depends on Us, we should avoid dangerous life threatening situations which is what Zimmerman should have done, but with an inescapable scenario where we will be killed unless we react right away...God gives us the right to stand for the sanctity of Life : Ours .

 

[bhsmte]

A 'Brother' is not everyone, but, a fellow Christian only. So if an Attacker came at you with a long sharp knife is it extremely unlikely that he would be fellow Brother Christian. Secondly, having options available to us to excersise in a deadly confrontation is vastly different than having no options available to save our own life (or the life of a loved one who is before us) . Lastly, God permits killing in self defense so long as it is absolutely justified and as a very last resort because God values the life of the Innocent . That said...as much as it depends on Us, we should avoid dangerous life threatening situations which is what Zimmerman should have done, but with an inescapable scenario where we will be killed unless we react right away...God gives us the right to stand for the sanctity of Life : Ours .

I'm sure Zimmerman wishes he could turn back the clock and not get out of his truck, but what exactly would have led him to believe walking down the sidewalk would bring him to a "life threatening situation"?

 

[blackribbon]

What exactly was Zimmerman supposed to do? He was working Neighborhood Watch for goodness sake. Am I the only one who understands what this is? Nosy busybodies call in "suspicous" people then hide behind their curtains. Neighborhood watch stays back and keeps their eye on suspicious people so that they can tell the police where the suspicious people have gone and maybe what they have actually done. It is called being a "witness". Zimmerman obviously didn't have reason to believe his life was in danger or he most likely wouldn't have followed him...or at least followed him alone and on foot. He was "watching" for whoever was doing the thefts in the neighborhood.

The dispatcher at the police was saying what they are told to say to everyone...and there is a good chance that he/she wasn't even a police officer...so it wasn't like he was defiant to the police. He was doing what every Neighborhood Watch person I know would do...follow and watch. The fact that he was confronted by Trayvon is what was unusual and not to be suspected. Even the girlfriend said that Trayvon was offended that this guy was following him. There was no indication that Trayvon was afraid of Zimmerman at any point.

If the gun was pulled as an aggressive activity, the screams would have been completely tone. The screams were of someone being physically beat up...and you can't beat someone while holding a gun...unless you are beating WITH the gun and in that case, there would definitely be bruising to match being beat by a metal object.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I'm sure Zimmerman wishes he could turn back the clock and not get out of his truck, but what exactly would have led him to believe walking down the sidewalk would bring him to a "life threatening situation"?

nothing, because he had a gun

 

[bhsmte]

nothing, because he had a gun

Whether he had a gun or not, he should be able to walk down the sidewalk in his neighborhood without encountering a life threatening situation, don't ya think?

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Whether he had a gun or not, he should be able to walk down the sidewalk in his neighborhood without encountering a life threatening situation, don't ya think?

sure, as should have Trayvon.

Look you will never see my side, and I will never be convinced that Z did the right thing, or that it was the only thing he could have done. I think he got away with killing someone whether by accident or incident and I won't be swayed. I watched the whole trial and do not feel that I am mis-informed or un-informed and I have formed my opinion. As have you.

I also concede that the state did not prove their case and that's why he walked. Guilty people walk everyday in our system, just as innocent people are also found guilty, it is what it is.
I just get angry sometimes at how people get away with stuff. Moreso with mothers or fathers who disappear their children never to be found and they are never held accountable here on earth either. I will never believe that Z's life was threatened. Did he get punched? YES, did he have injuries? YES, was he beaten to a pulp? not in my opinion. And I disagree that the "evidence" or his stories match up to what you believe. But again, it does not matter, he is aquitted. Life goes on. And you are entitled, just as I am, to your own opinion which differs from mine.

I also get angry that our POTUS uses THIS case to try to take away our guns. Like he doesn't have anything better to do, than interject himself in this case? There are thousands of cases that never make the news for whatever reason.


Peace Out

 

[blackribbon]

Anyone who owns a gun recognizes that it doesn't protect you from entering in a life threatening situation...the gun is there to make sure that you can exit from a life threatening situation. It does not make you feel invincible unless you are carrying to be an aggressor. Most people carry to protect themselves and those around them. Anyone who actually has a concealed gun permit will tell you that they are less likely to use it after going through the mandatory classes than they were before they took the class.