If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[ottawak]

Sooo
Some fishes are animals, and some are not.

They are whatever they have to be in order to agree with a literal reading of Genesis.

 

[FredVB]

There were plants that animals could eat, and that is including in the sea too, green algae are plants.

 

[Astrid]

There were plants that animals could eat, and that is including in the sea too, green algae are plants.

So whales and gulper eels ate green algae
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Said eel being a small fish that lives thousands of feet
down where there is no light, no plants green or
otherwise.
Thin weak watery muscles, they barely move except
to hold their position, waiting for a chance to eat
something that the huge mouth and elastic stomach
can hold, twice or more the size of the eel.
May not eat again for years.
This and other bizarre creatures of the deep
ate algae until transformed by sin?
Really?

 

[FredVB]

There were plants that animals could eat, and that is including in the sea too, green algae are plants.

I am glad to know that creation was with possibility for all creatures to be sustained with photosynthesizing organisms, generally plants, from which there are edible portions. Evidence of this is found from animals expected to be just carnivorous, which are herbivorous instead. There are spiders that were discovered to be herbivorous. There is a lion well known which would not eat any parts from animals. There is a shark of a carnivorous kind that only would eat from vegetation. So the design could have started like that.

 

[Astrid]

I am glad to know that creation was with possibility for all creatures to be sustained with photosynthesizing organisms, generally plants, from which there are edible portions. Evidence of this is found from animals expected to be just carnivorous, which are herbivorous instead. There are spiders that were discovered to be herbivorous. There is a lion well known which would not eat any parts from animals. There is a shark of a carnivorous kind that only would eat from vegetation. So the design could have started like that.

Nope

 

[FredVB]

World's First Vegetarian Shark Prefers Heads of Lettuce
Vegetarian Lioness: Little Tyke - Lindaland
Bagheera kiplingi - Wikipedia

 

[FredVB]

There is Gypohierax angolensis.
And Pacu fish are primarily vegetarian.

 

[Astrid]

There is Gypohierax angolensis.
And Pacu fish are primarily vegetarian.

There are lots of vegetarian fish.
So freaking what?

 

[Job 33:6]

Personally, I agree with the death before the fall viewpoint. Scripture tells us that Adam would surely die after being separated from the tree of life. This suggests that death existed apart from this tree, and took hold once Adam was separated from it.

You cannot have a tree of life which grants eternal life, without an alternative of death in separation from this tree.

 

[Tom 1]

See title.

Animals eat for the purpose of providing nutrients for the replenishment of energy stores, cellular rejuvenation, and so on. If an animal stops eating, metabolic processes no longer have the 'fuel' required to function and the animal eventually dies.

According to creationists there was no death before the Fall. If animals were no longer in danger of starving to death then why would there be a need to eat?

Pruning shears and lawn mowers were in short supply I think.

 

[FredVB]

You cannot have a tree of life which grants eternal life, without an alternative of death in separation from this tree.

There was cell death, that with the Bible account of no hurt or harm to creatures would still always be present, a death that still serves a needed purpose. Death can be expanded, or lessened.

Panda bears certainly adapted to an herbivorous life. There are other known cases of ancestral carnivorous animals leading to herbivorous animals. There are also certain butterflies that now are starting with carnivorous activity. Such change can go in either direction.

Gypohierax angolensis is a palm nut eating member of the Accipitridae, a family of raptors.
Palm-nut vulture - Wikipedia

Pacu which eat primarily from vegetation of course are of the Serrasalmidae, the Piranha family. Their teeth kind of resemble human teeth.

All creation groans for the hope of that which will be revealed with the redemption.

 

[FredVB]

God's perfect will does not include contributing to death. That is why we creatures have hope of heaven

 

[atpollard]

According to creationists there was no death before the Fall. If animals were no longer in danger of starving to death then why would there be a need to eat?

Where does the Bible say animals ate before the fall?
(Arguments from silence rarely end well).

 

[Astrid]

There was cell death, that with the Bible account of no hurt or harm to creatures would still always be present, a death that still serves a needed purpose. Death can be expanded, or lessened.

Panda bears certainly adapted to an herbivorous life. There are other known cases of ancestral carnivorous animals leading to herbivorous animals. There are also certain butterflies that now are starting with carnivorous activity. Such change can go in either direction.

Gypohierax angolensis is a palm nut eating member of the Accipitridae, a family of raptors.
Palm-nut vulture - Wikipedia

Pacu which eat primarily from vegetation of course are of the Serrasalmidae, the Piranha family. Their teeth kind of resemble human teeth.

All creation groans for the hope of that which will be revealed with the redemption.

Sorry to hear you suffer so.

Its not "all" of us.

 

[RileyG]

Animals aren't human. They aren't made in the image and likeness of God, so they would surely die.

 

[Job 33:6]

Where does the Bible say animals ate before the fall?
(Arguments from silence rarely end well).

Why else would God have given them teeth if they didn't eat?

 

[atpollard]

Why else would God have given them teeth if they didn't eat?

Where is the verse in the Bible that makes reference to animals having teeth before the fall?

Once again you are making claims without actually doing any of the work of establishing any facts for what you rail about. What does the Bible actually SAY about before the fall? That is the place to start. You keep starting with wild accusations and demanding that people explain your imagination away.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The Fall seems to be single greatest creative act ever.

 

[ElenaMaria_9]

Animals are very much part of a vast food chain.

Except Corgi's

I hate to burst your bubble but...have you never heard of Korea? Or Yulin, in China?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Where is the verse in the Bible that makes reference to animals having teeth before the fall?

Once again you are making claims without actually doing any of the work of establishing any facts for what you rail about. What does the Bible actually SAY about before the fall? That is the place to start. You keep starting with wild accusations and demanding that people explain your imagination away.

Let's see you explain your own imagination away:
1. Before the fall, there was no death - where does the bible say animals didn't die?
2. If animals didn't die, they didn't need to eat so they had no teeth - where does the bible say this?
3. As a follow on to having no teeth, did they also have no digestive system? No openings for excreting fecal matter or waste water? Where is this supported in the bible? Let me remind you of something you said above

(Arguments from silence rarely end well).

As @Tinker Grey said

The Fall seems to be [the] single greatest creative act ever