If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[Subduction Zone]

Why not eat? Even if we don't get any of what we choose to eat, we would survive with other stuff. But the way we are made we choose specific things to eat even without it needed for surviving that we have those specific things. The food we would like should be there for us.

Because to eat one must kill. Even plants are alive.

 

[FredVB]

Why not eat? Even if we don't get any of what we choose to eat, we would survive with other stuff. But the way we are made we choose specific things to eat even without it needed for surviving that we have those specific things. The food we would like should be there for us.

Because to eat one must kill. Even plants are alive.

Certainly. I understand this and that is not the issue discussed. The response I made is the topic introduced as to why eat things. Plants are provided for it, and those are including living things that should be eaten. If those are most desirable, of course those would be chosen and eaten. Animal life cannot continue in the world if all animals just eat animals. Animal life continues because there are animals which eat photosynthesizing organisms, and these largely include plants.

 

[Estrid]

Certainly. I understand this and that is not the issue discussed. The response I made is the topic introduced as to why eat things. Plants are provided for it, and those are including living things that should be eaten. If those are most desirable, of course those would be chosen and eaten. Animal life cannot continue in the world if all animals just eat animals. Animal life continues because there are animals which eat photosynthesizing organisms, and these largely include plants.

Is thetre some problem, that some animals eat plants, some other animals, and some eat both...?
Everyone knows this, and anyone who gets evolution
gets it that they evolved together.

 

[FredVB]

As long as life has existed, death has also existed.
As long as animals have existed, we have eaten other animals.

We are not discussing "biblical inaccuracy". We are discussing scientific facts.
The Ediacaran fauna was carnivorous. Herbivorous animals were a later development.

And this being claimed is refuted. There is not scientific fact here.

 

[Estrid]

And this being claimed is refuted. There is not scientific fact here.

So you figure plants were being eaten before there were plants.

 

[Mr Laurier]

And this being claimed is refuted. There is not scientific fact here.

please show an Ediacaran herbivore.

 

[Subduction Zone]

please show an Ediacaran herbivore.

To be fair the diets of Ediacaran fauna is difficult to verify. But with the existence of complex algae that formed seaweed herbivores almost certainly existed. Those algae would have qualified as plants and the animals that consumed them would have been herbivores:

Algae

 

[AV1611VET]

According to creationists there was no death before the Fall. If animals were no longer in danger of starving to death then why would there be a need to eat?

Maybe it was to keep in shape?

Peak performance, so to speak.

Those who ate could run faster, jump higher, and think faster than those who didn't.

I don't really know.

 

[Mr Laurier]

To be fair the diets of Ediacaran fauna is difficult to verify. But with the existence of complex algae that formed seaweed herbivores almost certainly existed. Those algae would have qualified as plants and the animals that consumed them would have been herbivores:

Algae

Ah. that makes sense

 

[SkyWriting]

That applied ONLY to humans.

And that refers to spiritual death. The only issue that God is concerned with.

 

[SkyWriting]

It does not say their were animal deaths nor does it say there weren’t animal death. The wage of sin is death but sin had not entered the world until the fall. Ge. 1:29-31 indicates man and all living things were going to be vegans. If that is correct no one would need to kill for food.

There would be no need for food if animals never die.
And animals do die by accident......unless God stopped all accidental deaths with a big hand or something.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

There would be no need for food if animals never die.

Huh? Genesis 2:16

 

[SkyWriting]

Huh? Genesis 2:16

If food is needed, then it's because animals and man were physically going to die.
If water is provided, it's because man and animals needed water to live.
So there was physical death before the Fall of man.
If there was not, food and water would be unnecessary.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

If animals or man never died, then there would be no need for food.
No food provided....animals and man still living before the Fall.

If food is needed, then it's because animals and man were physically going to die.
If water is provided, it's because man and animals needed water to live.

Plants aren't food? OK.......

 

[SkyWriting]

Plants aren't food? OK.......

I like spinach and eggs myself. With onions.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I like spinach and eggs myself. With onions.

I take it that's an admission of fault, but you haven't the grace to say it in a straightforward manner.

 

[SkyWriting]

I take it that's an admission of fault, but you haven't the grace to say it in a straightforward manner.

You claimed that plants aren't food. I shan't argue the point.
Some people just love to argue.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You claimed that plants aren't food. I shan't argue the point.
Some people just love to argue.

It was your claim, not mine.

SkyWriting: No food was needed
Me: Genesis 2:16 has God telling Adam to eat any plant he wanted
SkyWriting: No food was provided
Me: OK, so you don't consider plants to be food

 

[SkyWriting]

It was your claim, not mine.

SkyWriting: No food was needed
Me: Genesis 2:16 has God telling Adam to eat any plant he wanted
SkyWriting: No food was provided
Me: OK, so you don't consider plants to be food

If you misquote me then you will bop your head with a hammer all day long.
Yet the dialogue will not improve. You don't quote, you don't link...you just bop.
Maybe go to the original post just before hammer time.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

If you misquote me then you will bop your head with a hammer all day long.
Yet the dialogue will not improve. You don't quote, you don't link...you just bop.
Maybe go to the original post just before hammer time.

Perhaps you should read your own posts before accusing others of misquoting them. You know how, when you hit "Reply", it automatically quotes the post? That's how I know I didn't misquote you.