If there is such a thing as apostasy, then is there truly such a thing as an apostate?

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
'The Counter Culture [sic] of the Kingdom'

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

That was being said to the church around 20 years after it began you know. It's not an issue that started happening 300 years afterwards.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
That was being said to the church around 20 years after it began you know. It's not an issue that started happening 300 years afterwards.

Exactly but it didn't stop them from ignoring it later. That scripture applies to us since the fall and will til the final end of days

Clare73 · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
That's because it's gibberish.

Sound theological rebuttal on that one!

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

Clare73 said:
Sound theological rebuttal on that one!

Why would you expect a sound theological rebuttal to an unintelligible rant?

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
Exactly but it didn't stop them from ignoring it later. That scripture applies to us since the fall and will til the final end of days

It's been an issue from the beginning, not something that began with a fall that supposedly took place 300 years later. The entire body of Christ hasn't been apostate for 1700 years. That's fringe nonsense.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
It's been an issue from the beginning, not something that began with a fall that supposedly took place 300 years later

The fall in the Garden

Ordinary Christian said:
The entire body of Christ hasn't been apostate for 1700 years.

No, those who follow the Gospel of the Kingdom have not rejoined the world of man like the gentile church did.

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
The fall in the Garden

No, you ranted that "Christianity existed in it's [sic] original form 300 years earlier before man took it upon themselves to find a way to rejoin the world of man and the adversary."

timothyu said:
No, those who follow the Gospel of the Kingdom have not rejoined the world of man like the gentile church did.

That's kooky fringe nonsense you let yourself get sucked into. Get off whatever website you're getting gobbledygook from and join an actual church.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
That's kooky fringe nonsense you let yourself get sucked into. Get off whatever website you're getting gobbledygook from and join an actual church.

No website needed. Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, hence so should have His church. They abandoned the Kingdom and returned to the world of man to partner in, then build their own empire in the image of other human empires. Has the church covered up their rebellion to the Kingdom, or repented of it?

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
No website needed.

Yet there is one:

GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM AND GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD

timothyu said:
Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, hence so should have His church. They abandoned the Kingdom and returned to the world of man to partner in, then build their own empire in the image of other human empires. Has the church covered up their rebellion to the Kingdom, or repented of it?

That traces to Dave Reese who was teaching it in the late 70s. Which is probably why you ended up mentioning discos.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
That traces to Dave Reese who was teaching it in the late 70s. Which is probably why you ended up mentioning discos.

Not familiar with the works of others. People are quite capable of gleaning the Kingdom by themselves from scripture. That is why it becomes clearly evident the hypocrisy of those of a religion claiming to represent God would go against His will and rejoin the world of man.

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
Not familiar with the works of others. People are quite capable of gleaning the Kingdom by themselves from scripture. That is why it becomes clearly evident the hypocrisy of those of a religion claiming to represent God would go against His will and rejoin the world of man.

I find it difficult to believe that you figured it out on your own without any outside influence, considering that you use the same jargon found on that website and in what's been posted by others on CF. And another example.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
I find it difficult to believe that you figured it out on your own without any outside influence

What is so hard about that? Jesus repeats it at least 72 times. Not His fault the church eventually took a different direction. But then what choice did they have, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom while cozying up with an empire of man would have exposed them for their hypocrisy.

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
What is so hard about that?

It's hard to believe you came up with it on your own because you're saying the same things found here, here and here.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

Every human is capable of coming up with the same conclusions as others. Unfortunately most just want to take the wide road and accept what they are told rather than seek for themselves. Might explain why the world is in such a mess where the majority are divided because they take sides with what they are told rather than inform themselves.

ozso · Nov 2, 2023

timothyu said:
Every human is capable of coming up with the same conclusions as others.

And using the virtually the same exact jargon found on a website and posted by others? Unlikely.
However if you want to stick with you came up with it all on your own, that just makes it all the more likely that it's complete nonsense.

timothyu · Nov 2, 2023

That's entirely up to you. I know better. Besides, I just repeat what is in scripture about the Kingdom. Anyone can do it. GN and enjoy your own path even if it was given to you.

Xeno.of.athens · Nov 3, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
And using the virtually the same exact jargon found on a website and posted by others? Unlikely.
However if you want to stick with you came up with it all on your own, that just makes it all the more likely that it's complete nonsense.

timothyu said:
That's entirely up to you. I know better. Besides, I just repeat what is in scripture about the Kingdom. Anyone can do it. GN and enjoy your own path even if it was given to you.

@Ordinary Christian perhaps this is a lesson about debating someone who is convinced that they are right no matter what you have to say.

Clare73 · Nov 3, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Why would you expect a sound theological rebuttal to an unintelligible rant?

I'm applauding you!

That is a more sound rebuttal than the nonsense presented..

timothyu · Nov 3, 2023

Before criticizing me, how about first criticizing the 72 give or take scriptures about the Gospel of the Kingdom to which I refer

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