If Theistic Evolution, how long did day 7 last?

SkyWriting said:

The days are not a literal ordered set. If they were then plants would have no sun.

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On that particular day, day 4 I think, God cause the luminaries to be seen on earth, before that was a lot of dust and ash clouds from all the volcanic activity, and they did not shine on earth nor could be seen from earth yet, etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

On that particular day, day 4 I think, God cause the luminaries to be seen on earth, before that was a lot of dust and ash clouds from all the volcanic activity, and they did not shine on earth nor could be seen from earth yet, etc...

God Bless!

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Interesting your claim that the sun was observed, 2 days before man was created on the 6th day.
I wonder who was writing all this down. Jesus was known to write almost nothing.

SkyWriting said:

Interesting your claim that the sun was observed, 2 days before man was created on the 6th day.
I wonder who was writing all this down. Jesus was known to write almost nothing.

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There would be no garden for man to live in if there was no sunshine I guess.

Carl Emerson said:

There would be no garden for man to live in if there was no sunshine I guess.

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And soil. Sun is what creates all soil, after a few decades.

thomas_t said:

Hi everyone,
(since I can't answer posts in the section where non-believers are allowed to post)...
a little challenge to everyone believing in the so-called theistic evolution, which I believe is untrue.
Ok?
So if day 1 to day 6 is said to have lasted many millions of years each, how long is day 7 - which is God's rest - following this line of thought?

On one occasion, I've heard a reply in the sense that it simply lasted shorter than the other days... is this how you think?
So why would God's word the Bible choose "day" for a long time span at the beginning of chapter and just a few verses later, "day" describes a rather short period of time? And who is supposed to understand God jumping from one meaning to another in the same chapter?

Someone else said he believed that God still is resting as of today. However, he's worked hard in the mean time initiating the flood, for instance.

I'm curious to learn what you think on this one.

Regards,
Thomas

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Since there is no indication in the Jewish myth that is Genesis 1 that *yom* means anything but “day (of 24 hours)”, I take the Hebrew word as referring to days of 24 hours: not to unspecified epochs, not to geological ages, not to periods of unknown length in a re-creation, but to 24-hour days making up a week of 7 days. In other words, as referring to normal familiar human times and days. And, just as though God were imagined it to be a human workman, God is said to rest on the seventh day from his labour which he had done/made, just as a human workman might do.

The story is comparable, not to the modern sciences, but to the creation myths of the cultures which were the neighbours, and often the enemies, of Israel and Judah.

The Jewish creation myth, or rather myths, should be compared, not with the information provided by modern science, but with the myths and other theological ideas of its neighbours. The Jews, or some of them at least, were familiar with the creation myths of their neighbours; but, for obvious reasons, they knew absolutely nothing about the scientific ideas of the modern era. so it makes no sense, to compare Darwinian biology with the creation myth in Genesis one; they are not comparable. To compare them is as sensible as to compare a modern ICBM missile with an 18th-century musket; the two cultures are not contemporary, and the earlier culture had no way of knowing of the later culture, so the comparison is flawed from the outset, and consequently, meaningless.

The authors of the text

Why would a Jewish author in the eighth century BC (or so) have meant anything other than a 24-hour day ? What reason is there to suppose that the Old Testament authors knew anything of, or were even concerned with, modern geology, geography, palaeontology, speciation, hydrodynamics, or any other subject that so much exercises so many modern Bible-reading Christians ?

I think that the current fuss and palaver about the meaning of Genesis 1 has much less to do with the text, than with how different groups of people think the text should be interpreted. As to whether peoples’ expectations of how it should be interpreted are justified, that is another kettle of fish.

jamiemb said:

Since there is no indication in the Jewish myth that is Genesis 1 that *yom* means anything but “day (of 24 hours)”,

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"Yom" in the Hebrew language can mean "in my time", "once upon a time", "always", and many other things.

jamiemb said:

The Jewish creation myth, or rather myths, should be compared, not with the information provided by modern science, but with the myths and other theological ideas of its neighbours. The Jews, or some of them at least, were familiar with the creation myths of their neighbours; but, for obvious reasons, they knew absolutely nothing about the scientific ideas of the modern era. so it makes no sense, to compare Darwinian biology with the creation myth in Genesis one; they are not comparable. To compare them is as sensible as to compare a modern ICBM missile with an 18th-century musket; the two cultures are not contemporary, and the earlier culture had no way of knowing of the later culture, so the comparison is flawed from the outset, and consequently, meaningless.

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Yes.

thomas_t said:

Hi everyone,
(since I can't answer posts in the section where non-believers are allowed to post)...
a little challenge to everyone believing in the so-called theistic evolution, which I believe is untrue.
Ok?
So if day 1 to day 6 is said to have lasted many millions of years each, how long is day 7 - which is God's rest - following this line of thought?

On one occasion, I've heard a reply in the sense that it simply lasted shorter than the other days... is this how you think?
So why would God's word the Bible choose "day" for a long time span at the beginning of chapter and just a few verses later, "day" describes a rather short period of time? And who is supposed to understand God jumping from one meaning to another in the same chapter?

Someone else said he believed that God still is resting as of today. However, he's worked hard in the mean time initiating the flood, for instance.

I'm curious to learn what you think on this one.

Regards,
Thomas

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The Sabbath, the seventh day
- day of rest was created for man - Mark 2:27.
God does not need rest, scriptures as says he neither sleeps nor slumbers - Psalms 121:2-4.
Six days do the work and on the seventh day rest from the work you've done and as you're resting keep it holy. Even for the land plant and harvest for 6 years and in the 7th year, let the Earth rest - Exodus 23: 11.

On the seventh day God rested simply means he was finished with the work he set out to accomplish concerning the earth and the inhabitants including man. He sanctified and blessed the seventh day - Genesis 2:3. To him the seventh day had special meaning.

And he asked mankind to keep the 7th day holy - he asked that it be remembered. Some believe this was because he actually rose from the grave on the seventh day and not the first day as the first Roman churches began to teach. The Resurrection of Jesus was on a Sabbath Morning
The Resurrection of Jesus was on a Sabbath Morning
https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/HWA/k/463/resurrection-not-sunday.htm
The Resurrection Was Not on Sunday

Those are 3 of quite a few. Because he rose on the 7th day - is why he sanctified and blessed it ?

What is he doing now - his kingdom is in heaven wherever that is - somewhere in the cosmos and he is doing what even an entity in authority does - what we call work. He also said goes to prepare a place that where would he is we may be also - work.

Not until one realizes that God is not subjected to time - only man is - time was set in place for man to live and measure by to from birth to death.
Once people stop looking at God through the terms and ideals of man, one may understand better. God said his ways are not the ways of man - that his thoughts are not the thoughts of man - the Earth is his footstool - the heavens cannot contain him.


Days are for man and days will come to an end - many scriptures speak of the last days.
For God the seventh day has no beginning end has no end.

The Barbarian said:

"Yom" in the Hebrew language can mean "in my time", "once upon a time", "always", and many other things.

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What basis, in the text of Genesis 1-2.4, is there, for supposing that "yom" does *not* mean "day", though ?

Yes.

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jamiemb said:

What basis, in the text of Genesis 1-2.4, is there, for supposing that "yom" does *not* mean "day", though ?

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The fact that it describes mornings and evenings with no sun to have them. Which would be an absurdity in Hebrew if it was meant to be a literal account.

The text itself tells us that it's not a literal account.

The Barbarian said:

The fact that it describes mornings and evenings with no sun to have them. Which would be an absurdity in Hebrew if it was meant to be a literal account.

The text itself tells us that it's not a literal account.

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Good point. But not a decisive objection against taking the text literally.

Where does the text itself tell us that it is not a literal account ? And how is a reader with no Hebrew to understand it as anything else ?

jamiemb said:

Good point. But not a decisive objection against taking the text literally.

Where does the text itself tell us that it is not a literal account ? And how is a reader with no Hebrew to understand it as anything else ?

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"Morning" and "evening" is the same thing in English.

Consider that the 6 days were part of the gap concept of creation. The original creation occurred in Gen 1:1. The 6 days were a "re-creation." Something happened in verse 2 that caused creation to become "without form and void." What we read in the rest of Gen 1 is restoring the earth to a livable condition and the reintroducing earth-man via the process of theistic evolution. What we read in chapter 2 is separate from the 6 days where Eden is created, and Adam and Eve (Man of God) are introduced. Later the descendants of Adam and Eve join with the earth-man and we end up with what we have now.
I lean toward theistic evolution for many reasons. One difficulty is the statement that Eve would be the mother of all living. Any thoughts on that would be appreciated.

SavedByGrace3 said:

Consider that the 6 days were part of the gap concept of creation. The original creation occurred in Gen 1:1. The 6 days were a "re-creation." Something happened in verse 2 that caused creation to become "without form and void." What we read in the rest of Gen 1 is restoring the earth to a livable condition and the reintroducing earth-man via the process of theistic evolution. What we read in chapter 2 is separate from the 6 days where Eden is created, and Adam and Eve (Man of God) are introduced. Later the descendants of Adam and Eve join with the earth-man and we end up with what we have now.
I lean toward theistic evolution for many reasons. One difficulty is the statement that Eve would be the mother of all living. Any thoughts on that would be appreciated.

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You might want to explore this thread a bit if you are interested, etc...? For now, I am just linking a post near the very end of it, but that has other "important" post links in it, as long as some additional information, etc...

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Feel free to post there and resurrect it if you like...

Or get back to me here once you have checked it out if you like...

In short, days 1-5 were all prior to land animals appearing, because right after that is the start of day 6, and day 6 is now about to end, and day 7 will be beginning very soon, after Jesus comes back to start that, etc, and it will last until the end of this whole entire creation, etc, in which after that, a whole new creation will begin again, at day eight, or back at day one again, etc...

6 is the number (age) of man/land animals/beasts, and 7 is the number of completion or perfection (of man) (apart from beasts), and 8 (or back at 1) is that of new beginnings, or whole new creations again, etc...

See the links for more information. etc...

God Bless!

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The seven days of creation within the Jewish creation mythology found in genesis 1 don’t represent any particular time frame or order. It’s there to make a point and that point is not the age of the world.

thomas_t said:

Hi everyone,
(since I can't answer posts in the section where non-believers are allowed to post)...
a little challenge to everyone believing in the so-called theistic evolution, which I believe is untrue.
Ok?
So if day 1 to day 6 is said to have lasted many millions of years each, how long is day 7 - which is God's rest - following this line of thought?

On one occasion, I've heard a reply in the sense that it simply lasted shorter than the other days... is this how you think?
So why would God's word the Bible choose "day" for a long time span at the beginning of chapter and just a few verses later, "day" describes a rather short period of time? And who is supposed to understand God jumping from one meaning to another in the same chapter?

Someone else said he believed that God still is resting as of today. However, he's worked hard in the mean time initiating the flood, for instance.

I'm curious to learn what you think on this one.

Regards,
Thomas

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Day 7 is on going and represents righteous. God's rest.

thomas_t said:

Hi everyone,
(since I can't answer posts in the section where non-believers are allowed to post)...
a little challenge to everyone believing in the so-called theistic evolution, which I believe is untrue.
Ok?
So if day 1 to day 6 is said to have lasted many millions of years each, how long is day 7 - which is God's rest - following this line of thought?

On one occasion, I've heard a reply in the sense that it simply lasted shorter than the other days... is this how you think?
So why would God's word the Bible choose "day" for a long time span at the beginning of chapter and just a few verses later, "day" describes a rather short period of time? And who is supposed to understand God jumping from one meaning to another in the same chapter?

Someone else said he believed that God still is resting as of today. However, he's worked hard in the mean time initiating the flood, for instance.

I'm curious to learn what you think on this one.

Regards,
Thomas

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The days don't represent periods of time at all in the usual sense. The story is myth. Which doesn't mean "untrue", but it means it is symbolic and theologically true.

As others have noted, the Bible is not a science textbook. The Genesis days are in reference to a cosmic temple text, as described in John Walton's book "The Lost World of Genesis One".

thomas_t said:

Hi everyone,
(since I can't answer posts in the section where non-believers are allowed to post)...
a little challenge to everyone believing in the so-called theistic evolution, which I believe is untrue.
Ok?
So if day 1 to day 6 is said to have lasted many millions of years each, how long is day 7 - which is God's rest - following this line of thought?

On one occasion, I've heard a reply in the sense that it simply lasted shorter than the other days... is this how you think?
So why would God's word the Bible choose "day" for a long time span at the beginning of chapter and just a few verses later, "day" describes a rather short period of time? And who is supposed to understand God jumping from one meaning to another in the same chapter?

Someone else said he believed that God still is resting as of today. However, he's worked hard in the mean time initiating the flood, for instance.

I'm curious to learn what you think on this one.

Regards,
Thomas

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asking how long the 7th day is, assumes that the days have a set chuck of time associated with them which is not necessarily what theistic evolution affirms, or at least the answer will vary quite a lot from person to person.

for me, I tend not to try and fix the creation account into a literal timeline; generally speaking, I'm agnostic about the literalness of the account. Did it happen in a prefixed amount of days or periods that can be directly translated into the creation account? I don't know, I wasn't there and neither was Moses who is said to have penned the account. Moses I might add appears in the picture some 2500 years after the event. To me there are non-negotiables of creation, the most important being God is behind all things but after that I'm not as dogmatic about how it happened. I think it's rather arbitrary to focus on the details of the "how" and I would rather focus on what information that is more meaningful. If God did it in 6 days or each day is a million years or it looks nothing like the creation account I'm still here, designed with purpose of glorifying God, and settling on the minutia of creation doesn't change this. I concede that God is able to all versions of those without compromising his truth and purpose intended in the account so let's just get that out of the way and focus on the things that have greater meaning.

I suppose to me the intent of the account is not a science book so I can easily dismiss this as the goal and champion more important messages in the account. Messages like God spoke light into darkness and started a process of organizing, forming, seed and fruit-bearing and new life leading to multiplication and when complete it ends in rest. This is a salvation event and if the "how" can be directly translated into this 6 days period or not it can at least be directly translated into my own story of salvation, where light is spoken into darkness and this is far more meaningful. Who cares how long it took, if it was a billion years or 6 days the message I receive is still the same which is God is the light that was spoken into me and because of that I have rest.

DamianWarS said:

I suppose to me the intent of the account is not a science book so I can easily dismiss this as the goal and champion more important messages in the account. Messages like God spoke light into darkness and started a process of organizing, forming, seed and fruit-bearing and new life leading to multiplication and when complete it ends in rest. This is a salvation event and if the "how" can be directly translated into this 6 days period or not it can at least be directly translated into my own story of salvation, where light is spoken into darkness and this is far more meaningful. Who cares how long it took, if it was a billion years or 6 days the message I receive is still the same which is God is the light that was spoken into me and because of that I have rest.

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