If the soul forms at conception, then how do twins, triplets, etc. factor in?

[wndwalkr99]

No it doesn't but truth is sometimes better conveyed poetically.

Irrelevant....sometimes untruths are better conveyed that way as well.

 

[wndwalkr99]

It is the belief that Jesus Christ, as God in the flesh, sacrificially died on the Cross for the redemption of our sins; and that all we have to do is acknowledge that we are sinners, believe that Jesus died and rose again, and place our trust in Him as our Lord and Saviour.

This is what we call the Romans Road:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You can do it in the privacy of your own thoughts. Just pray and admit you're a sinner, be willing to repent of your sins, and ask God to save you.

Done!

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Without sufficient evidence, I simply cannot believe that. I would have preferred that you did not quote me a bunch of drivel, but rather said it in your own words and left it at that. I care not for biblical verses.

 

[JackRT]

Irrelevant....sometimes untruths are better conveyed that way as well.

So can prose and mythology, allegory, etc. Is it safe to say that you just don't like any sort of literature?

 

[AV1611VET]

Without sufficient evidence, I simply cannot believe that.

Do you have sufficient evidence that Millard Fillmore was one of our Presidents?

I would have preferred that you did not quote me a bunch of drivel,

What [exactly] makes it 'drivel'?

If I quoted Mark Twain's definition of faith ... the one most preferred by educated people ... would you say that was 'drivel'?

... but rather said it in your own words and left it at that.

Sure thing.

As I have stated many times here: Faith is believing something, even if science says otherwise.

I care not for biblical verses.

I'd say you're on the wrong website then.

But welcome to CF anyway! You'll get plenty not to care about here.

I hope you stick around.

 

[AV1611VET]

Happy birthday, Jack! Mine's coming up!

 

[JackRT]

As I have stated many times here: Faith is believing something, even if science says otherwise.

Faith is not the opposite of doubt. Faith is the opposite of certainty.

 

[wndwalkr99]

So can prose and mythology, allegory, etc. Is it safe to say that you just don't like any sort of literature?

No, that would be incorrect. I enjoy fiction and non-fiction in many stripes.

I refuse to believe that you are so dense as to honestly think that me saying that an untruth can be conveyed poetically means that I don't like literature. No one is that stupid. It is more likely that you are simply dishonest, but I've been wrong before.

 

[SPF]

Faith is believing something, even if science says otherwise.

No offense, but that's a terrible definition of faith. I recommend sticking to the Biblical definition.

 

[AV1611VET]

I recommend sticking to the Biblical definition.

No argument there!

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Radrook]

Genesis doesn't say that man was given or infused with an immortal soul. That innate immortality idea was expressed by an enemy.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (Genesis 3:4)

 

[Radrook]

I actually thought about posting it in the Controversal Christian Theology section because then more Christians would see it, but I decided to put it here instead.

Why did you decide to post it here instead?

 

[CrystalDragon]

Why did you decide to post it here instead?

I wanted to see both what Christians and non-Christians would say about it.

 

[Radrook]

I wanted to see both what Christians and non-Christians would say about it.

Good point!

 

[wndwalkr99]

[QUOTE="AV1611VET, post: 71319834, member: 152669"Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious how you've managed to convince yourself that faith, using this definition, is a good thing. You can pm me if you like.

 

[Radrook]

[QUOTE="AV1611VET, post: 71319834, member: 152669"Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I'm curious how you've managed to convince yourself that faith, using this definition, is a good thing. You can pm me if you like.

What flaw do you detect in it?

 

[Radrook]

Talking about the idea of humans having souls, I once read a short story concerning people who had been cryogenically preserved finally being restored to life in the far future. As it turns out, their souls had supposedly left this world permanently at the moment of death and what was being restored was a soulless shell occupied by entities with an infinite capacity for evil.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Talking about the idea of humans having souls, I once read a short story concerning people who had been cryogenically preserved finally being restored to life in the far future. As it turns out, their souls had supposedly left this world permanently at the moment of death and what was being restored was a soulless shell occupied by entities with an infinite capacity for evil.

Do you remember the name? Sounds interesting.

 

[Radrook]

Do you remember the name? Sounds interesting.

Sorry but that's another short story I read decades ago in some long-forgotten anthology. Actually, I found it rather disturbing since it implied demon possession or alien possession of soulless bodies.

I also found the concept of humans being actually spirits encased or imprisoned in a material human bodies awaiting to be released into a spiritual realm at death strange at the time since I held a contrary view.

BTW
Adding to the weirdness was how the resurrected woman, described as a long-haired redhead had cunningly feigned to be the woman who had died and been revived until she finally got the opportunity to make her move against humanity.

 

[Radrook]

Faith is not the opposite of doubt. Faith is the opposite of certainty.

That goes cpmpletely contrary to the biblical definition which clearly involves certainty.

Hebrews 11:1 ►

New International Version
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

New Living Translation
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.

English Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Berean Study Bible
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

Berean Literal Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not being seen.

New American Standard Bible
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

King James Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.

International Standard Version
Now faith is the assurance that what we hope for will come about and the certainty that what we cannot see exists.

NET Bible
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see.

New Heart English Bible
Now faith is being confident of what we hope for, convinced about things we do not see.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now faith is the conviction concerning those things that are in hope, as if it were these things in action, and the revelation of those things that are unseen;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.

New American Standard 1977
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Faith, therefore, is the substance of things waited for, the evidence of things not seen.

King James 2000 Bible
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

American King James Version
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

American Standard Version
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.

Darby Bible Translation
Now faith is [the] substantiating of things hoped for, [the] conviction of things not seen.

English Revised Version
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the proving of things not seen.

Webster's Bible Translation
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Weymouth New Testament
Now faith is a well-grounded assurance of that for which we hope, and a conviction of the reality of things which we do not see.

World English Bible
Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen.

Young's Literal Translation
And faith is of things hoped for a confidence, of matters not seen a conviction,

 

[JackRT]

That goes cpmpletely contrary to the biblical definition which clearly involves certainty.

If certainty is involved then faith is redundant.