If selection pressure waned and waxed, such that the species started again: what'd you do better?

[Gottservant]

I'm not talking about Jesus, I'm talking about God, The Father and the Holy Ghost. The God that came to Moses in the Burning Bush, who spoke to Noah about the Flood. How is that God biological?

The bush was "burning" because it was "living". God is "the living God". God will inhabit "a living body".

As you might say "A living Evolution"?

Were you expecting something different? What were you expecting? That God would condemn Jesus for not having "Evolved enough"?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The bush was "burning" because it was "living". God is "the living God". God will inhabit "a living body".

As you might say "A living Evolution"?

Were you expecting something different? What were you expecting? That God would condemn Jesus for not having "Evolved enough"?

No, you clearly do not understand what I'm getting at so it's pointless to continue.

For something to evolve, it needs to be alive, to be a biological, living organism, capable of reproducing. God (THE SPIRIT) cannot reproduce and is not a biological organism, so it cannot evolve, let alone that it's an individual and not a population, but you really don't give a damn either way since you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Gottservant]

No, you clearly do not understand what I'm getting at so it's pointless to continue.

For something to evolve, it needs to be alive, to be a biological, living organism, capable of reproducing. God (THE SPIRIT) cannot reproduce and is not a biological organism, so it cannot evolve, let alone that it's an individual and not a population, but you really don't give a damn either way since you don't know what you're talking about.

What?

I'm saying God will be part of a biological population, with His own biological body and that that population will heed what He does with that biological body.

If God can't change, until He is something biological, what is it that starts His "being" 'biological'?
Where is His focus? Are you saying "His focus is irrelevant, because He is evolved"? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense???

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What?

I'm saying God will be part of a biological population, with His own biological body and that that population will heed what He does with that biological body.

If God can't change, until He is something biological, what is it that starts His "being" 'biological'?
Where is His focus? Are you saying "His focus is irrelevant, because He is evolved"? That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense???

You're right, it doesn't make sense, because you're not talking sense.

 

[Gottservant]

I mean does your subconscious even improve, if you believe in Evolution?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I mean does your subconscious even improve, if you believe in Evolution?

A person cannot believe in evolution because evolution is not a belief system. I and many others have told you this repeatedly, so why do you continue to say that evolution is a belief system?

 

[Gottservant]

A person cannot believe in evolution because evolution is not a belief system. I and many others have told you this repeatedly, so why do you continue to say that evolution is a belief system?

It has tenets, which guide your focus, to action, that is in the stead of some kind beneficial creed for humanity - a belief system.

Science without foundation, is just rumour.

If there is nothing of note, about your belief, tell me what you do besides develop theory, that justifies people believing you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It has tenets, which guide your focus, to action, that is in the stead of some kind beneficial creed for humanity - a belief system.

Science without foundation, is just rumour.

If there is nothing of note, about your belief, tell me what you do besides develop theory, that justifies people believing you?

What tenets does evolution have to make it a religion? Please tell me because I have never ONCE seen anything of the sort that you're peddling.

 

[Gottservant]

Evolution will be better, because of God - how can you not recognize that?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution will be better, because of God - how can you not recognize that?

I'm waiting for you to tell me what the tenets of evolution are if it's a religion like you say it is.

 

[Gottservant]

What tenets does evolution have to make it a religion? Please tell me because I have never ONCE seen anything of the sort that you're peddling.

Evolution:

• it needs a population
• the population mutates
• mutation guarantees diversity
• diversity spreads across species
• being across species tests the repetition of these tenets
• repeating them responsibly makes you an Evolutionist
• As an Evolutionist you care about nature
• Caring about nature, you do things to save nature?
• People that know you are going to care, spread word??

It's the bit marked with question marks, that I am asking you about now. Where are your works?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution:

• it needs a population
• the population mutates
• mutation guarantees diversity
• diversity spreads across species
• being across species tests the repetition of these tenets
• repeating them responsibly makes you an Evolutionist
• As an Evolutionist you care about nature
• Caring about nature, you do things to save nature?
• People that know you are going to care, spread word??

It's the bit marked with question marks, that I am asking you about now. Where are your works?

Okay, so the first 5 points are not tenets in the slightest. Those are facets of how evolution works in biology.
Point 6 is simply a part of the scientific method, repeating the test to see what result you get.
Point 7 isn't something that is simply about evolution. You can be a Christian who doesn't accept evolution and you can still care about the nature.
Points 8 and 8 have nothing to do whatsoever with evolution, you're talking more about climate change awareness than evolution.

 

[Shemjaza]

Evolution:

• it needs a population
• the population mutates
• mutation guarantees diversity

These are facts relevant to evolution, not tenets of a belief system.

Much like "Engines can transfer force to a drive shaft" is a relevant fact relevant to engineering motor vehicles, not a tenet of the mechanics faith.

• diversity spreads across species

I'm not totally clear what you mean by this point.

If you are referencing that benificial traits will tend to spread across a population over many generations, then this is trivial consequence of natural selection and we have seen it demonstrated many times.

Again a fact, not a tenet.

• being across species tests the repetition of these tenets

This doesn't make sense.

Can you explain what you mean?

• repeating them responsibly makes you an Evolutionist

This also doesn't make sense.

Evolutionist is typically just a label for someone who accepts the scientific theory of evolution as an explanation for the diversity of life.

• As an Evolutionist you care about nature
• Caring about nature, you do things to save nature?
• People that know you are going to care, spread word??

It's the bit marked with question marks, that I am asking you about now. Where are your works?

These have nothing to do with accepting evolution.

Many people who accept evolution as a fact also care about nature... but some do not.

Some people who accept evolution see it as a reason to disregard nature as it will just bounce back and adapt anyway.



Evolution is a physical process and a scientific theory that explains that process.

It is not a theology, a philosophy of life or a possession of an individual.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Repeatability is the backbone of science.

If I say "repeat it?", I am asking a scientific question.

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." - Heraclitus

 

[Gottservant]

Okay, so the first 5 points are not tenets in the slightest. Those are facets of how evolution works in biology.
Point 6 is simply a part of the scientific method, repeating the test to see what result you get.
Point 7 isn't something that is simply about evolution. You can be a Christian who doesn't accept evolution and you can still care about the nature.
Points 8 and 8 have nothing to do whatsoever with evolution, you're talking more about climate change awareness than evolution.

Who said you could pick and choose, what I believe is associated with Evolution? On what foundation?

That you remember biology? or trust Evolution?

What choice does your foundation give me??

EDIT: I base my interpretation of life on the blood of Jesus and the word of my testimony! (both of which you are free to have, with me)

 

[Gottservant]

put it another way: if you mutated the body of Christ (the believers) to the last possible mutation, you would still never get an adaptation that crossed over to another species.

That's how the faith knows you are in the Devil and lying, when you say "one species can become another".

It makes no difference how many people are believers, they will never be able to become another species.

 

[Shemjaza]

put it another way: if you mutated the body of Christ (the believers) to the last possible mutation, you would still never get an adaptation that crossed over to another species.

That's how the faith knows you are in the Devil and lying, when you say "one species can become another".

It makes no difference how many people are believers, they will never be able to become another species.

Why not?

What's the barrier to a population changing enough over enough generations that they are no long biologically compatible with what we are now?

Each mutation is a small change, over enough generations with genetic isolation species can permanently separate into two.

Lions and Tigers clearly used to be one species (some kind of proto-panther) but they are barely compatible anymore... if humans were truly separated for a significant period of time it is possible we could form separate species. (It's a very weird scenario, but certainly biologically possible).

 

[Gottservant]

Why not?

What's the barrier to a population changing enough over enough generations that they are no long biologically compatible with what we are now?

Each mutation is a small change, over enough generations with genetic isolation species can permanently separate into two.

Lions and Tigers clearly used to be one species (some kind of proto-panther) but they are barely compatible anymore... if humans were truly separated for a significant period of time it is possible we could form separate species. (It's a very weird scenario, but certainly biologically possible).

This is where I have to take you to task (God help me):

Believers keep the words of Jesus. If what you are saying is true: certain words would be appropriate to one species and (depending on the selection pressures and how each responds to them) other words would be appropriate to the other (species). Say for example that one of the selection pressures was response to the wind and another selection pressure was response to the sun - if Jesus spoke about the wind in one case (which He did) and spoke about the Sun in another case (which He did): would one species remember what was said about the wind and another remember what was said about the Sun?

Let's just establish that, for the time being - I don't want to make it more complicated than it needs to be... (suffice it to say, I do not merely mean "remembering words, is all Creationists think survival takes")

 

[Gottservant]

What gets me, is that there are lions and tigers and hyenas in Evolution, but Evolution is not "lead", by anything (not lead by lions, not leads by tigers, not lead by a pack of hyenas working together) - just a random story of pressure, such that "everything is asked, but not everything is done"?

 

[Gottservant]

I've come to realise, part of the problem with my asking for accountability in "Evolution" - as pertains to the choice it gives you - is that the "choice" "hurts".

People say "the truth hurts" like it's nothing, but actually the choice hurts.

I'm not sure what you want to make of that, but if the choice remains the same choice, at least we might be able to reconcile ourselves to it, in the end?