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There are those, of course, who would disagree with you on that:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html
Oh no….not Diggs

This guy’s work has been shown to be overflowing with misrepresentations, false comparisons and blatant lies more often than I can count

Let me summarize

Diggs tries to make five distinct claims and them pretend they are facts: 1) gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals, 2) gays have more STD’s than heterosexuals and more illness in general, 3) the human body was not physically designed for gay anal sex, 4) gays have a higher rate of psychiatric disorders than heterosexuals. And 5) gays and lesbians have a shorter life span than heterosexuals
Diggs fails to support any of these claims and often blatantly lies to give the appearance that the scientific community supports his claims.

He generalizes convenience sample studies as indicative of the gay population at large. Diggs takes studies done in foreign countries about heterosexuals and claims that they are indicative of the gay population at large.

Twice, John R. Diggs includes the study done by Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg in their book, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women, as indicative of the entire gay population. In one passage, he even refers to it as “a far ranging study of homosexual men . . .” But Bell and Weinberg never said that their findings were indicative of all gay men. In fact they explicitly deny such a claim. They actually said “. . . given the variety of circumstances which discourage homosexuals from participating in research studies, it is unlikely that any investigator will ever be in a position to say that this or that is true of a given percentage of all homosexuals.”

In another section entitled Physical Health, Diggs claims that gays are victims of “gay bowel syndrome.” The term is an obsolete medical term and even the CDC does not use it. In fact, if one was to look at the endnotes of Diggs’ study, he would find that two of the sources he quoted concerning “gay bowel syndrome” were from articles in published in 1976 and 1983, which is consistent with the years that the term existed. One last source was a letter to the editor printed in 1994 but Diggs does not make it clear as to whatwere the circumstances surrounding it.

In detail
1) Gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals.

Diggs cites the Bell and Weinberg study to show that gays are radically more promiscuous then straights. However, this interpretation of the Bell and Weinberg study has been rejected not by just the scientific community but by Bell and Weinberg as well. The reason is because of numerous problems found in the study, primarily, they did not use a random sample, they didn’t use a control group. Bell and Weinberg state that “there is no way what we reported can be extrapolated to the population at large.” They cite the following issues:
“The sampling of the homosexuals in the study was not random.”
“No survey of heterosexuals as well as homosexuals… [there is] no correlative data on the heterosexual sample. For all we know the heterosexual sample may have had a greater number of sexual partners than the homosexual sample. Without this control group, we cannot generalize their sample to the population at large, because we do not know that their population represents national norms since we have no heterosexual control group. It is possible that the heterosexual statistics were equally high, and could have shown that the data does not represent promiscuity specifically among gays, but of the sexually active single person in San Francisco in the 1970's.”


“A third problem, still relating to the heterosexual sample, is that it did not represent a true control group. Apart from the fact that the homosexual sample was not random and the heterosexual sample was, the homosexual samples were taken from the following places: singles bars (22%), gay baths (9%), public places (=guys hanging out in parks to find sex partners; 6%), private bars (=sex clubs; 5%), personal contacts (people that the bar people, public place people, bath house people, etc, knew personally and referred; 23%), public advertising + organizations + mailing lists (29%).The heterosexual sample, on the other hand, were people in residential areas, admittedly including married people. These two samples are not parallel, and even if included, the heterosexual data would not be comparable. In order for this data to have been generalizable, the heterosexual sample would have to be drawn from heterosexual singles bars, sex clubs, bookstores, etc.”

“ the use of Kinsey 2-6 for inclusion of homosexual population. The sample does not represent only homosexual persons, but also includes bisexual persons.”


What Diggs ignores are studies comparing promiscuity rates and monogamy rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals

J Harry. Contemporary Families and Alternative Lifestyles, ed by 1983 Macklin, Sage Publ.
L Peplau, Lesbian and Gay Relationships. Journal of Homosexuality 1981 6(3):1-19
J Spada , The Spada Report, New American Library Publ 1979
E O Laumann, JH. Gagnon, R Michael, and S Michaels . The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States. 1994 Chicago U Press.
RP Vierod. Prevalence and trends in homosexual behavior in Norway Scandinavian Journal of Social Medicine. 1997 25(1):33-38
MM Dolcini “Demographic Characterizes of Heterosexuals with Multiple Partners: The National AIDS Behavioral Surveys” Family Planning Perspectives. 1993 25 (5): 203-214
S Bryant and JA Demian “Partners National Survey of Lesbian & Gay Couples” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services 1994 1 (2)
JO Billy, K Tanfer, WR Grady, DH Klepinger 1993 Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States Family Planning Perspectives 25:52-60
R Fay CF Turner, AD Klassen, and JH GagnonPrevalence and Patterns of Same Gendered Sexual Contact among Men Science, Vol 243, Issue 4889, 338-348




These studies show that the number of sexual partners homosexuals and heterosexuals have in a lifetime are almost identical. They also show that 80% of same gendered couples are in monogamous relationships, which is about the same as heterosexual couples.
A corollary of this claim involves Diggs claiming that homosexuals are significantly more likely to practices deviant sexual acts, specifically sadism and masochism. He uses two events that took place regarding bondage workshops. However, Diggs lies in his claims about the workshops in that they were presented and attended by heterosexuals.
2) gays have more STD’s than heterosexuals
Diggs makes the claim that gays have a higher rate of STD’s than straights, and that, in and of itself, should be evidence that homosexuality is a sin. African Americans have significantly higher rates of STD’s than whites or gays, I doubt that Diggs would want to use this fact as a tool to initiate the eradication of African Americans. Further, Diggs tries to make the claim that since aids has such a higher rate of infection among gays than straights in the us, he fails to put it into the worldwide epidemiological context, where more than 95% of all cases of aids is transmitted by heterosexuals.
Diggs claims of higher rates of STD’s among homosexuals falls apart when one notes he uses studies about prostitutes attending free clinics in large cities. As one can imagine such women have a high incidence of STD’s. A number of such prostitutes are lesbians, usually these women are younger, often teenagers forced out of their homes by families and engaging in prostitution to survive. Diggs uses the high incidence of STD’s among these prostitutes to claim that Homosexuals in general have high incidents of STD’s. He ignores the fact that were he to use this same population the same conclusion that heterosexuals suffer from extraordinarily high cases of STD’s


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There are those, of course, who would disagree with you on that:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html
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3) the human body was not physically designed for gay anal sex
Diggs attempts to claim that homosexual men are unhealthy by claiming that sperm has properties that show anti-immune system properties, and that this should be evidence enough that gays should not engage in anal sex. However, what he doesn’t make clear is why this biological fact does not also preclude vaginal sex. If the anti-immune system properties were significant, then would it not cross gender lines? He tries to make the connection between the "fragility of the anus and rectum" to support this conclusion, however the scientific literature does not support the assumption of the fragility of this region, since it does not take into account the equal fragility and susceptibility to disease of the lining of the uterus.

Diggs also tries to claim that gay men suffer from exceptionally high rates of anal cancer. “Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing.”
A claim both the authors of the study refute as well as the American Cancer society. The authors of the study Diggs cite conclude: In conclusion, anal cancer incidence in the Unlted States has increased significantly during the past 30 years and is now higher in women than men, in blacks than whites, and in residents of metropolitan rather than rural areas.” They list the primary cause for this increase as changes in diet to high fat low fiber diets as well as an increasingly sedentary lifestyle.
4) gays have a higher rate of psychiatric disorders than heterosexuals.
Diggs tries to show that gays have a higher incidence of psychiatric disease than straights, and to use that as evidence that homosexuality is a sin. However, such is simply not the case. Studies show little difference in the rates of psychological pathology between gays and straights. Below is a list of over 30 studies from the past 40 years, all in peer-reviewed journals, disputing Diggs’ claim.
L Braaten-1965, Genetic Psychology Monographs 71:269-310
R Dean-1964, J of Consulting Psychology 28 483-86
W Horstman-1972, Homosexuality and Psychopathology(dissertation)
Adelman-1977, Arch of Sex Beh 6(3):193-201
Oberstone-1976, Psychology of Women Quarterly 1(2):172-86
R Evans-1970, J of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 34:212-15
R Turner-1974, Br J of Psychiatry 125:447-49
M Siegelman-1972, Br J of Psychiatry 120:477-481
M Siegelman-1972, Archives of Sexual Behavior 2:9-25
M Freedman-1971, Homosexuality and Psychological Functioning, Brooks/Cole Publ.
J Hopkins-1969, Br J of Psychiatry 115:1433-1436
M Wilson-1971, Psychological Reports 28:407-412
N Thompson-1971, J of Abnormal Psychology 78:237-40
E Ohlson-1974, J of Sex Research 10:308-315
D Christie-1986, Psychological Reports 59:1279-1282
H Carlson-1984, Sex Roles 10:457-67
T Clark-1975, Am J of Psychoanalysis 35:163-68
R LaTorre-1983, J of Homosexuality 9:87-97
P Nurius-1983, J of Sex Research 19:119-36
C Rand-1982, J of Homosexuality 8(1):27-39 J Harry-1983, Archives of Sexual Behavior 12:1-19
E Hooker-1957, J of Projective Techniques 21:18-31
B Harris-1977, Bulletin of the Am Acad of Psychiatry and Law 5:75-89
J Gonsiorek-1977, Psychological Adjustment and Homosexuality, Select Press.
W Paul-1982, Homosexuality: Social, Psychological and Biological Issues; Sage Publ.
M Hart-1978, J of Clinical Psychiatry 39:604-608
R Meredith-1980, Professional Psychology 11:174-93
B Reiss-1974, J of Homosexuality 1:71-85
B Reiss-1980, Homosexual Behavior a modern reappraisal, Basic Books
P Falk-1989, Am Psychologist 44(6):941-947
Kingdon-1979, Counseling Psychologist 8(1):44-45
V Armon-1960, Journal of Projective Techniques 24:292-309
N Thompson-1971, J of Abnormal Psychology 78:237-40
R Pillard-1988, Psychiatric Annals 18:51-56
M Saghir-1970, Am J of Psychiatry 126:1079-86

5) gays and lesbians have a shorter life span than heterosexuals

Diggs cites a Canadian study twice in order to claim that gays have a shorter lifespan than heterosexuals. In 2001, the six original researchers (Robert S. Hogg, Stefan A. Strathdee, Kevin J.P. Craib, Michael V. O’Shaughnessy, Julion Montaner, and Martin T. Schechter) who conducted that study have gone on record saying that religious conservatives (like Diggs) was distorting their work.

The scientists were so disgusted with their research being lied about in this manner they wrote to the Journal of Epidemiology, the journal that originally published their study, to denounce the practice. In an unprecedented move the Journal of Epidemiology published that letter:

"Over the past several months I have received correspondence from a number of people regarding a paper I wrote with Mr. Craib and Drs. Montaner, O'Shaughnessy, Schechter, and Strathdee in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the gay and bisexual life expectancy in Vancouver in the late 1980s and early 1990s. From this correspondence it appears that our research is being used by select groups in United States and other countries to suggest that gay and bisexual men live an unhealthy lifestyle that is destructive to themselves and to others. These homophobic groups appear more interested in restricting the human rights of gay and bisexuals rather than promoting their health and well being.
It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive measure. Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man's risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes than persons making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.
We recognize that the International Journal of Epidemiology does not publish letters to the editor. However, we would like to conveyed at least to you and the other journal staff that we do not condone the use of our research in this manner. We would hope that this message could be also conveyed to the subscribers of the journal. Copies of this letter will also be forwarded to individuals that have expressed concern about the way our work is being used to restrict the rights of gay and bisexuals.
Our aim here is to stop this improper use of our results. "
Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V O'shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter
Published:International Journal of Epidemiology 2001;30:1499
 
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You and the poster you responded to obviously did not read chapter one of Genesis.

God created the world, and all the things in it, and declared it all good. Then, sin entered the world.

Which rather begs the question... if God created everything in the World, does that not include sin, or the vessel through which sin entered the world?

Also I kind of wonder about Adam knowing not to sin before he ate from the tree that told him the difference between sinning and not sinning...

(All reasons I think it far more logical to consider Genesis allegorical, rather than historical. Just makes more sense to me)
 
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Homosexual marriage just follows homosexual practice. It's a symptom of the problem. And it's sinful in or out of marriage, IF it's homosexual sex. I don't see how it can be any clearer.

As I understand it, there are many disputes over the translations of these parts in your signature. I don't consider it clear in any way.

What if it said in the Bible straight up "Do not have gay sex in any way, shape or form." Woudl you obey it?

That would be very clear and helpful. No need to wonder about differences in translation, although, one would still have to consider the cultural background for the statement and whether the basis for it has any purpose in today's society.

As I'm not a Christian, nor a homosexual, the answer would be yes, but only by accident. :holy:
 
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Paul Cameron ^_^


Paul Cameron was expelled form the American Psychiatric Association in 1983 for ethics violation. Specifically he was found to have fabricated data and to have misrepresented the research of legitimate scientists.

Is it any surprise that the data he was found to have been making up was data on homosexuals?

Following his expulsion he attempted to pass himself off as a Sociologist but the ASA didn’t fall for it.

He then went on to found the Family Research Council and has continued to make up research data and to misrepresent real scientists and their work.

Some of the famous lies Paul Cameron is responsible for:
Homosexuals have a life expectancy of 35 years
Homosexuals are more violent than heterosexuals
Homosexual couples have the highest rate of domestic violence
Half of all child sexual assaults are committed by gays and lesbians.
Homosexuals are 5000 times as likely to have a STD than heterosexuals.
 
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We're all sinners. Why would God create a world full of sinners?

I have no idea. It seems like very poor planning to me.

What, you guys never heard of original sin?

Of course, since belief in an actual devil is passé these days, maybe you haven't. I'll summarize:

1. God created the world and the people in it. Everything was perfect.

2. Satan snookered man into disobeying God, and the world became corrupt.

3. Satan continues to snooker man right up to the present day (man really isn't all that terribly bright, although he likes to think that he is), and the world is still corrupt.

4. God devised a way for man to avoid spending eternity in awful torment with Satan by sending us a Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

5. Even though man can be redeemed from hell by faith in Christ, the world is still corrupted by original sin, and will remain so until time comes to an end.

All the physical risks are the same ones that heterosexual couples deal with, I don't see the point.

Heterosexual couples have no danger of any of this stuff if they are using the sexual faculty in the proper way and for the purpose that God created it to used for. In other words, anal sex is, in its own way, just as much a perversion as homosexual sex is. But that shouldn't be surprising. You don't stick soup spoons in your ear, do you?

Oh no….not Diggs....
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I have a lengthy list of other sources, but I won't bother posting them, because I'm fully aware that your mind is already made up, and it doesn't matter what evidence from whatever source is presented, it won't change your mind anyway. Homosexuality is one of those things like discussing the atomic bomb or liberal/conservative debates: everybody chooses their own side, and never the twain shall meet. For what it's worth, however, I didn't post those links for folks like you, I posted them for folks like our friend Tackleberry, who is still able to separate God's voice speaking truth from the voice of "the other guy" from the Garden who is still, even today, speaking lies.

The sad part is that there are so many around today who are unable to distinguish between the two.

But then, that's what Old Scratch specializes in, isn't it? He can whisper lies in your ears and make it sound just like God.
 
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Which rather begs the question... if God created everything in the World, does that not include sin, or the vessel through which sin entered the world?

Also I kind of wonder about Adam knowing not to sin before he ate from the tree that told him the difference between sinning and not sinning...

(All reasons I think it far more logical to consider Genesis allegorical, rather than historical. Just makes more sense to me)
Read Genesis 3. It was a blame game. First of all, when God created everything, it was all good. Than Satan, the angel of light, became prideful and wanted to overthrow God. God threw him out of heaven and a third of the angels went with Satan (these are the demons). So Satan tricked Eve into eating the apple by placing doubt in her mind. Then she gave some to Adam, and he thought it was ok because Eve was. Then when God confronted them, Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed Satan. Nobody wanted to take responsibility for it. But it started with Satan. Human willpower is just weak.
 
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I have a lengthy list of other sources, but I won't bother posting them, because I'm fully aware that your mind is already made up, and it doesn't matter what evidence from whatever source is presented, it won't change your mind anyway.
Translation: you know the “lengthy list” contains references that are just as false as the first ones you put up.

For what it's worth, however, I didn't post those links for folks like you, I posted them for folks like our friend Tackleberry, who is still able to separate God's voice speaking truth from the voice of "the other guy" from the Garden who is still, even today, speaking lies.
People like me being those willing to actually check claims and references and then willing to post real findings as opposed to just accepting false statements like those made by Diggs and Cameron

The sad part is that there are so many around today who are unable to distinguish between the two.
Facts and false witness? No anyone is able to differentiate the two. However many are unwilling to actually look at claims made by the religious right and test them with facts and confront them with truth

But then, that's what Old Scratch specializes in, isn't it? He can whisper lies in your ears and make it sound just like God.
Interesting claim considering the numerous false statements of Diggs and Cameron you linked us all to. Are you suggesting that these men are inspired by Satan?
 
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I would consider it a duty of everyone in a civilized society to be concerned when confronted with racism, bigotry and discrimination. History shows that no good has risen from the practice of these vices, except for maybe the fact that they are considered vices today.
It would seem to me that for example in biblical times these issues were not considered with the same weight as they are today, racism and discrimination against another part of society or other peoples were considered normal, even righteous. This is one reason many bible quotes should be taken with a grain of salt, and not obeyed blindly.

Having been surprised into stating the obvious, I now feel like Dr. Phil.
 
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First of all, when God created everything, it was all good. Than Satan, the angel of light, became prideful and wanted to overthrow God.
Um, pardon me for being a stickler... but try to follow me...

God creates everything, and it is all good. This includes Satan. Therefore, Satan is Good, and any ability on the part of Satan to bring sin into the world was also created by God? I mean, God created the universe, he set the rules, including the rules that allowed sin to enter the universe, right? So, doesn't the sin buck stop with God?

And I still ask... how can either Adam or Eve had any idea of it being "wrong" to eat from the tree... before they had knowledge of what "right" and "wrong" actually are?
 
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And I still ask... how can either Adam or Eve had any idea of it being "wrong" to eat from the tree... before they had knowledge of what "right" and "wrong" actually are?

I think the "wrongness" would come from disobeying a direct order from God. However, since the fruit they ate contained the knowledge of good and evil, they can't have known that disobeying was, well, evil. I think they were rather innocently curious about it.
And woe behold the consequences. Hugely not proportionate to the "crime".
The story certainly raises questions concerning God's intentions or overall, His wisdom.
Unless it's allegorical of course.
 
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The opposition toward gay marriage because it's not God's design, it's a perversion, God frowns on it, etc. It's pretty clear.
God also frowns upon eating shrimp (leviticus 11:9-12, deuteronomy 14:9-10) and pork (leviticus 11:7) . It's in the same book, in the same section on the laws given to the Israelites.

God also says it's okay to stone your son if he's disobedient. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

What gives you, rather, ANYONE, the right to pick and choose from the Bible which of God's frowned-upons to obey, and which to ignore? That's awfully arrogant.
 
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God also frowns upon eating shrimp (leviticus 11:9-12, deuteronomy 14:9-10) and pork (leviticus 11:7) . It's in the same book, in the same section on the laws given to the Israelites.

God also says it's okay to stone your son if he's disobedient. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

What gives you, rather, ANYONE, the right to pick and choose from the Bible which of God's frowned-upons to obey, and which to ignore? That's awfully arrogant.

Watch this space for a totally non-Biblical justification using terms like "moral, ceremonial" and "cultural" laws
 
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Oh no….not Diggs

This guy’s work has been shown to be overflowing with misrepresentations, false comparisons and blatant lies more often than I can count

Let me summarize

Diggs tries to make five distinct claims and them pretend they are facts: 1) gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals, 2) gays have more STD’s than heterosexuals and more illness in general, 3) the human body was not physically designed for gay anal sex, 4) gays have a higher rate of psychiatric disorders than heterosexuals. And 5) gays and lesbians have a shorter life span than heterosexuals
Diggs fails to support any of these claims and often blatantly lies to give the appearance that the scientific community supports his claims.

He generalizes convenience sample studies as indicative of the gay population at large. Diggs takes studies done in foreign countries about heterosexuals and claims that they are indicative of the gay population at large.

Twice, John R. Diggs includes the study done by Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg in their book, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women, as indicative of the entire gay population. In one passage, he even refers to it as “a far ranging study of homosexual men . . .” But Bell and Weinberg never said that their findings were indicative of all gay men. In fact they explicitly deny such a claim. They actually said “. . . given the variety of circumstances which discourage homosexuals from participating in research studies, it is unlikely that any investigator will ever be in a position to say that this or that is true of a given percentage of all homosexuals.”

In another section entitled Physical Health, Diggs claims that gays are victims of “gay bowel syndrome.” The term is an obsolete medical term and even the CDC does not use it. In fact, if one was to look at the endnotes of Diggs’ study, he would find that two of the sources he quoted concerning “gay bowel syndrome” were from articles in published in 1976 and 1983, which is consistent with the years that the term existed. One last source was a letter to the editor printed in 1994 but Diggs does not make it clear as to whatwere the circumstances surrounding it.

In detail
1) Gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals.

Diggs cites the Bell and Weinberg study to show that gays are radically more promiscuous then straights. However, this interpretation of the Bell and Weinberg study has been rejected not by just the scientific community but by Bell and Weinberg as well. The reason is because of numerous problems found in the study, primarily, they did not use a random sample, they didn’t use a control group. Bell and Weinberg state that “there is no way what we reported can be extrapolated to the population at large.” They cite the following issues:
“The sampling of the homosexuals in the study was not random.”
“No survey of heterosexuals as well as homosexuals… [there is] no correlative data on the heterosexual sample. For all we know the heterosexual sample may have had a greater number of sexual partners than the homosexual sample. Without this control group, we cannot generalize their sample to the population at large, because we do not know that their population represents national norms since we have no heterosexual control group. It is possible that the heterosexual statistics were equally high, and could have shown that the data does not represent promiscuity specifically among gays, but of the sexually active single person in San Francisco in the 1970's.”


“A third problem, still relating to the heterosexual sample, is that it did not represent a true control group. Apart from the fact that the homosexual sample was not random and the heterosexual sample was, the homosexual samples were taken from the following places: singles bars (22%), gay baths (9%), public places (=guys hanging out in parks to find sex partners; 6%), private bars (=sex clubs; 5%), personal contacts (people that the bar people, public place people, bath house people, etc, knew personally and referred; 23%), public advertising + organizations + mailing lists (29%).The heterosexual sample, on the other hand, were people in residential areas, admittedly including married people. These two samples are not parallel, and even if included, the heterosexual data would not be comparable. In order for this data to have been generalizable, the heterosexual sample would have to be drawn from heterosexual singles bars, sex clubs, bookstores, etc.”

“ the use of Kinsey 2-6 for inclusion of homosexual population. The sample does not represent only homosexual persons, but also includes bisexual persons.”


What Diggs ignores are studies comparing promiscuity rates and monogamy rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals

J Harry. Contemporary Families and Alternative Lifestyles, ed by 1983 Macklin, Sage Publ.
L Peplau, Lesbian and Gay Relationships. Journal of Homosexuality 1981 6(3):1-19
J Spada , The Spada Report, New American Library Publ 1979
E O Laumann, JH. Gagnon, R Michael, and S Michaels . The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States. 1994 Chicago U Press.
RP Vierod. Prevalence and trends in homosexual behavior in Norway Scandinavian Journal of Social Medicine. 1997 25(1):33-38
MM Dolcini “Demographic Characterizes of Heterosexuals with Multiple Partners: The National AIDS Behavioral Surveys” Family Planning Perspectives. 1993 25 (5): 203-214
S Bryant and JA Demian “Partners National Survey of Lesbian & Gay Couples” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social Services 1994 1 (2)
JO Billy, K Tanfer, WR Grady, DH Klepinger 1993 Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States Family Planning Perspectives 25:52-60
R Fay CF Turner, AD Klassen, and JH GagnonPrevalence and Patterns of Same Gendered Sexual Contact among Men Science, Vol 243, Issue 4889, 338-348




These studies show that the number of sexual partners homosexuals and heterosexuals have in a lifetime are almost identical. They also show that 80% of same gendered couples are in monogamous relationships, which is about the same as heterosexual couples.
A corollary of this claim involves Diggs claiming that homosexuals are significantly more likely to practices deviant sexual acts, specifically sadism and masochism. He uses two events that took place regarding bondage workshops. However, Diggs lies in his claims about the workshops in that they were presented and attended by heterosexuals.
2) gays have more STD’s than heterosexuals
Diggs makes the claim that gays have a higher rate of STD’s than straights, and that, in and of itself, should be evidence that homosexuality is a sin. African Americans have significantly higher rates of STD’s than whites or gays, I doubt that Diggs would want to use this fact as a tool to initiate the eradication of African Americans. Further, Diggs tries to make the claim that since aids has such a higher rate of infection among gays than straights in the us, he fails to put it into the worldwide epidemiological context, where more than 95% of all cases of aids is transmitted by heterosexuals.
Diggs claims of higher rates of STD’s among homosexuals falls apart when one notes he uses studies about prostitutes attending free clinics in large cities. As one can imagine such women have a high incidence of STD’s. A number of such prostitutes are lesbians, usually these women are younger, often teenagers forced out of their homes by families and engaging in prostitution to survive. Diggs uses the high incidence of STD’s among these prostitutes to claim that Homosexuals in general have high incidents of STD’s. He ignores the fact that were he to use this same population the same conclusion that heterosexuals suffer from extraordinarily high cases of STD’s


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Thanks for the information….i read a full citation by citation breakdown of the doctor’s writing a while ago and it was amazing how he manages to make false claims about scientific studies and just makes things up as he goes.

Maybe he expects no one would actually check up on what he was saying.

Or maybe he was counting on the fact that some people don’t seem to care about what’s true or not as long as it says something bad about people they hate :cry:
 
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Or maybe he was counting on the fact that some people don’t seem to care about what’s true or not as long as it says something bad about people they hate :cry:
Bingo! Amazing the way people will accept information without checking its rigour just soi long as it tells them what they want to hear
 
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Okay, what Autumnleaf seems to be doing is sending up the thread, 'If homosexuality is a sin, then why did God create homosexuals'.
The questions are very different. Murder causes harm to others. Homosexual sex (between consenting adults) does not. I can understand why society wants to prevent and discourage murder, but what is wrong with homosexual sex, for those who are attracted to their own sex?

There are no difference there are no little sins or big sins... the Bible is clear and it condemns both homosexuality and murder...

God did not create either one of them, we failed back in adam and eve to live like God wanted us to live, so he set up rules but he doesn't force us to follow it, we do it by choice or free will. Hope The Holy Spirit opens our eyes and our ears to the TRUTH OF GOD! God bless everyone:pray:
 
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Um, pardon me for being a stickler... but try to follow me...

God creates everything, and it is all good. This includes Satan. Therefore, Satan is Good, and any ability on the part of Satan to bring sin into the world was also created by God? I mean, God created the universe, he set the rules, including the rules that allowed sin to enter the universe, right? So, doesn't the sin buck stop with God?

And I still ask... how can either Adam or Eve had any idea of it being "wrong" to eat from the tree... before they had knowledge of what "right" and "wrong" actually are?
Because God told them not to eat from that tree. And I believe God created angels and us with some degree of free will. God allowed sin to enter His creation, but in response, he offered us a way out, to still have fellowship with Him; salvation through Jesus Christ.
 
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Because God told them not to eat from that tree. And I believe God created angels and us with some degree of free will. God allowed sin to enter His creation, but in response, he offered us a way out, to still have fellowship with Him; salvation through Jesus Christ.

Yes, God told them not to eat from the tree... but how did they know that disobeying God was wrong before they had knowledge of right and wrong?
 
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