If Mary was sinless?

[Benedicta00]

You just stepped into fairy tell land, and away from scripture.

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No, I answered your ‘how is it’ question. You ask how can God save a sinless person from sin. And I answered you. Because if he would not have stepped in, the sinless person would have inherited the sin.

I asked you a question and I would appreciate a answer.

Do you realize that we inherit Adam’s sin and that is why we needed saving, that is why we are born sinners?

We do not need saving from our personal sins so much but rather from the thing that has made us sinners.

Once that sin has been removed from us then and only then will we find forgiveness from our actual sins.

Mary was saved by God’s grace from the thing that would have made her a sinner. The fall of mankind, not from personal sin for she had none.

 

[josh_676]

Mary is but a women. Catholics she is not god.

 

[Metanoia02]

Mary is but a women. Catholics she is not god.

Catholics don't think she is God. Only people like you think Catholics think she is God. Big difference.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Mary is but a women. Catholics she is not god.

What an uninformed statement.

And NO, I'm not (C)atholic.

Forgive me.....

 

[ThreeAM]

Catholics don't think she is God. Only people like you think Catholics think she is God. Big difference.

No 100% human with a both a human father and human mother is sinless, so what do Catholics think Mary is then?

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[BigChrisfilm]

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No, I answered your ‘how is it’ question. You ask how can God save a sinless person from sin. And I answered you. Because if he would not have stepped in, the sinless person would have inherited the sin.

I asked you a question and I would appreciate a answer.

Do you realize that we inherit Adam’s sin and that is why we needed saving, that is why we are born sinners?

We do not need saving from our personal sins so much but rather from the thing that has made us sinners.

Once that sin has been removed from us then and only then will we find forgiveness from our actual sins.

Mary was saved by God’s grace from the thing that would have made her a sinner. The fall of mankind, not from personal sin for she had none.

I can't answer your questions because half of it is a question, and the rest is a pre determined doctrine you have. I don't believe baptism removes origanl sin, so the only part I can answer is that yes, I know we have an origanl sin.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Mary is but a women. Catholics she is not god.

It's insane isn't it. BTW, they can rebunk anything you say. This you will have to learn. We can't stop it you know. We can only fight it.

 

[Metanoia02]

No 100% human with a both a human father and human mother is sinless, so what do Catholics think Mary is then?

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

You are to only one saying Catholics think Mary is God. You are argueing with yourself. Please provide proof that the Catholic Church thinks Mary is God. If not, take a step back, because you are slandering the Catholic Church.

 

[ThreeAM]

You are to only one saying Catholics think Mary is God. You are argueing with yourself. Please provide proof that the Catholic Church thinks Mary is God. If not, take a step back, because you are slandering the Catholic Church.

EXCUSE ME??? I have never made the claim that "Catholics think that Mary is a God". But I did ask you a simple question which you failed to answer.

 

[Metanoia02]

EXCUSE ME??? I have never made the claim that "Catholics think that Mary is a God". But I did ask you a simple question which you failed to answer.

Your question implied it:
No 100% human with a both a human father and human mother is sinless, so what do Catholics think Mary is then?

But I will answer it. Not God.

 

[ThreeAM]

Your question implied it:
No 100% human with a both a human father and human mother is sinless, so what do Catholics think Mary is then?

But I will answer it. Not God.

No my question did not imply it at all. It would be insain to think Mary was God. A I do not think Catholics are insain.

My question implied that I do think Catholic doctine is inconsistent with scripture on this issue and that is the reason I list the following verses.


Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Metanoia02]

No my question did not imply it at all. It would be insain to think Mary was God. A I do not think Catholics are insain.

My question implied that I do think Catholic doctine is inconsistent with scripture on this issue and that is the reason I list the following verses.


Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

You asked "what" we think Mary is. Since we know she is a woman, you are implying we think she is something else. Since this was taken from the thread where someone accused Catholics of thinking Mary is God. It is reasonable to conclude you were making that implication with such a leading question.

If not, I am cool with that. But for your answer, I will let you do the work of digging through literally hundreds of threads on this board that have answered your question. They haven't changed.

 

[ThreeAM]

Well that's fine but we "you" and "I" are posting in this thread aren't we? Then simply tell why why "you" think why the verses "I" have quoted don't apply to Mary who was obviously human and had a human mother and father.

 

[Metanoia02]

Well that's fine but we "you" and "I" are posting in this thread aren't we? Then simply tell why why "you" think why the verses "I" have quoted don't apply to Mary who was obviously human and had a human mother and father.

Like I said there have been thread upon thread covering this subject. I am not interested in rehashing a debate that is 500 years old.

 

[ThreeAM]

If you cannot offer constructive information on this thread then its time to remove your self from this thread.; But I would rather you give me information on why you don't think Paul's inspired words apply to Mary whom we both agree was fully human.


[And has anyone else had the formating of the forum radically change in the last few minutes????}

 

[Metanoia02]

If you cannot offer constructive information on this thread then its time to remove your self from this thread.; But I would rather you give me information on why you don't think Paul's inspired words apply to Mary whom we both agree was fully human.


[And has anyone else had the formating of the forum radically change in the last few minutes????}

This thread would have never been started if the standard was constructive information!

BTW, if you want a complete answer to your question post it in the OBOB forum. You will have your answer minus the debate.

 

[ThreeAM]

This thread would have never been started if the standard was constructive information!

BTW, if you want a complete answer to your question post it in the OBOB forum. You will have your answer minus the debate.

Obviously I want to be able to debate what I think is error when posted. I view this forum as a two way exchange of ideas. If you can't give a answer for your beliefs and why they disagree with the inspired words of Paul then you probably have no place posting in this thread at all.

Just a little constuctive this is the scriptures that say Mary was sinless would be helpful but I guess that is to much to ask for. Oh Well.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Obviously I want to be able to debate what I think is error when posted. I view this forum as a two way exchange of ideas. If you can't give a answer for your beliefs and why they disagree with the inspired words of Paul then you probably have no place posting in this thread at all.

Just a little constuctive this is the scriptures that say Mary was sinless would be helpful but I guess that is to much to ask for. Oh Well.

Don't worry about it. Mary was a sinner just like us, and she needed a savior just like us.

 

[FreeinChrist]

If Mary was sinless, then how weird it must have been. She wouldn't have obeyed ANY of the laws of the day? Doesn't that make her sinfull? Not only that, but if she DID obey the laws, then she was being deceitfull. Even Jesus followed the 10 commandments, but he never had to have a sin atonment. Wouldn't someone wonder WHY Mary never had to do anything? Wouldn't that have been made a BIG deal, and certainly, it would have made it into the bible? If she was sinless, then why doesn't they bible come right out and say that?

This site may help you understand it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_conception

 

[Lynn73]

Obviously I want to be able to debate what I think is error when posted. I view this forum as a two way exchange of ideas. If you can't give a answer for your beliefs and why they disagree with the inspired words of Paul then you probably have no place posting in this thread at all.

Just a little constuctive this is the scriptures that say Mary was sinless would be helpful but I guess that is to much to ask for. Oh Well.

There are no Scriptures that support Mary being sinless. It's an assumption because of certain preconceived human idea on how things have to be. You will probably get certain Scriptures put forth as implying it, but imho nothing even implies such a thing and we have something to tell us that she isn't. Namely, that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. There is none righteous, no not one. No exception clauses are seen for Mary and that should be the end of it.