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How does this belong in the evolution forums?
Because you can do nothing without God and you can not have evolution without God. If God is not a part of evoluion then it will be destoryed in the fire at the end of this age. Also you may want to look at the word Creation next to the word Evolution. God is the Creator, so you can not have a Creation without a Creator. So you can maybe exclude God from your life, but you can not exclude God from this forum. Of course there is no life without God. Isa 40:8 "The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever."

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Genesis 1[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth. [/FONT]
 
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Because you can do nothing without God and you can not have evolution without God. If God is not a part of evoluion then it will be destoryed in the fire at the end of this age. Also you may want to look at the word Creation next to the word Evolution. God is the Creator, so you can not have a Creation without a Creator. So you can maybe exclude God from your life, but you can not exclude God from this forum. Of course there is no life without God. Isa 40:8 "The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever."

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Genesis 1[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth. [/FONT]

*facepalm*

I'm going to go ahead and report this thread for the wrong forum.
 
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Because you can do nothing without God and you can not have evolution without God.
Sure you can. Take a look at the theory. Nothing in it involves God, thus, it can occur quite happily without him. It doesn't preclude God, but it doesn't require him either.
 
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*facepalm*

I'm going to go ahead and report this thread for the wrong forum.
Actually it is against the rules to say your going to report a thread. But I will repeat the question. Can we have a personal relationship with God?

That is the difference between evolution and creationism. If you look this is the Creation & Evolution Forum. So the question is what makes Creationism different from Evolution. The difference is the PERSONAL relationship between Creation (US) and Creator, the God who makes us.

The Bible says: "For God so loved the world". Creationism talks about the Love that God has for the world, for us, for His Creation. Evolution talks about random mutations and NO relationship.

I am sure there are Evolutionists that have a personal relationship with the God that created them. But you are not required to have a relationship with your Creator to be a Evolutionists.

To be a Creationist requires you to have a personal relationship with your Creator. Charice talks about that relationship. She talks about sending a "note to God". I have said before that for us to find a fossil is like God sending a note or a card to us. God speaks to us through the natural record just like Charice wants to speak to God and have a conversation with Him.

Also Charice talks about a world different than the world that the Evolutionist talks about. She talks about a world where there is no war. So again this is a difference between Creationism and Evolution. For the evolutionists the main objective is reproduction and survival. They have no hope that the world will ever be a perfect place to live. For the Creationist we do have a hope for a better world then the one we currently live in.
 
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For the evolutionists the main objective is reproduction and survival.
Nope. Science is descriptive, not prescriptive. Science tells us what happens, not what should happen. Just because we observe living creatures reproducing and surviving, doesn't mean that we believe that's all there is to life.

But please, tell me more about my hopes and dreams. Since you seem to know more about them than me, I'm most interested.

They have no hope that the world will ever be a perfect place to live.
Ooh, you're doing it again! Tell us, Oh Sage, how you divined this information! I always thought I had hope for a world without disease or war, but clearly you know me better than I do - so tell me, what else do I hope for? What's my favourite colour? Favourite genre of music or film? What do the spirits tell you of my economic beliefs? Do the tarot cards unearth my innermost sexual fetishes?

Come on, don't hold back - you clearly have a supernatural ability to tell people what they hope and dream, regardless of what they actually hope and dream. What other magics do you possess?
 
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Sure you can. Take a look at the theory. Nothing in it involves God, thus, it can occur quite happily without him. It doesn't preclude God, but it doesn't require him either.
That is the fundamental difference between Evolution and Creationism. Creationism requires a Creator. Evolution does not. Perhaps the question then is does Creationism require a relationship between Creator and Creation (us). Did God just wind us all up in the beginning or is the Creator still a active part of His Creation?
 
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I always thought I had hope for a world without disease or war, but clearly you know me better than I do - so tell me, what else do I hope for?
If you hope for a world without war, then I would imagine you hope for a world without conflict.

The Bible does get into a discussion on Human Nature. I would trust the Bible a lot more then I would Dr Fraud and his apprentice Dr Spook. Or whatever it is science has to offer. As I said in another thread, if I needed personal advice I would be much better off going to a free pastor rather then paying a psychologist $100 an hour. Assuming of course that you go to a main line church where the pastor has a real education and not just an independant church where they may only have a two year degree.
 
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If you hope for a world without war, then I would imagine you hope for a world without conflict.

The Bible does get into a discussion on Human Nature.
The Bible says everyone is fundamentally evil, starting at an attractive woman is as bad as rape, and any crime can be forgiven, consequence free. I'm disinclined to trust that kind of advice.

I would trust the Bible a lot more then I would Dr Fraud and his apprentice Dr Spook. Or whatever it is science has to offer. As I said in another thread, if I needed personal advice I would be much better off going to a free pastor rather then paying a psychologist $100 an hour. Assuming of course that you go to a main line church where the pastor has a real education and not just an independant church where they may only have a two year degree.
Pastors generally have a formal education and qualifications in counselling and the like - it comes under 'pastoral care'. I'd go to a pastor too, so long as he didn't drip his advice in religious hocum.
 
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I'd go to a pastor too, so long as he didn't drip his advice in religious hocum.
And what would constitute 'dripping advice in religious hocum?' saying Jesus walked on water?
 
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And what would constitute 'dripping advice in religious hocum?' saying Jesus walked on water?
Depends. If he were using it as an analogy to help me with a particular problem, that's fine.

It's like the rumour about Alcoholics Anonymous, where you have to accept a supreme being and the power of prayer before you can pass and get cured. If this is true, then AA is dripping with religious hocum.
 
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Depends. If he were using it as an analogy to help me with a particular problem, that's fine.

It's like the rumour about Alcoholics Anonymous, where you have to accept a supreme being and the power of prayer before you can pass and get cured. If this is true, then AA is dripping with religious hocum.
Would you -- maybe -- answer my question, please?

I didn't ask what was 'fine;' I ask what constituted 'dripping with religious hocum?'

(Or you can just ignore me -- makes no diff.)
 
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Would you -- maybe -- answer my question, please?

I didn't ask what was 'fine;' I ask what constituted 'dripping with religious hocum?'

(Or you can just ignore me -- makes no diff.)
By 'That's fine' I meant 'That isn't dripping with religious hocum'. If his advice requires religion to take, then it's dripping with religious hocum. Simple benchmark.
 
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That is the fundamental difference between Evolution and Creationism. Creationism requires a Creator. Evolution does not.
The fundamental difference between Evolution and Creationism is one is a fact and the other is a belief.
Creationism has nothing going for it and Evolution has everything going for it.
 
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The fundamental difference between Evolution and Creationism is one is a fact and the other is a belief.
Oh, please ...

As Mr. Hovind says, don't call what you believe 'science' and what we believe 'religion.'

When you guys speak of 'evolution,' you jump right to post-abiogenesis evolution -- skipping 9 billion years of cosmic evolution -- and even then, it's the macro variety of evolution you usually talk about.

I love to tell people I believe in evolution -- and at the same time say, 'evolution can take a hike.'

It's entertaining to see them scratching themselves into a pile of epithelials, wondering if I'm lying, confused or just plain being a poe.
 
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It's like the rumour about Alcoholics Anonymous, where you have to accept a supreme being and the power of prayer before you can pass and get cured. If this is true, then AA is dripping with religious hocum.
They profess to believe in a "Higher Power" or a "Power greater then ourselves".
So would you consider Carrie Underwoods song: "Jesus take the wheel", hocum?

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